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So vote for them regardless and then they will listen?

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This is an incorrect framing of the situation. You aren’t being asked for a Yes/No vote on Democrats. You are being asked if you prefer Democrats or Republicans. Or for this election, if you prefer Democracy or Fascism. If you vote “no preference”, that does not communicate “I prefer the Democrats, but want them to move further left”, either logically or politically.

There are lots of ways to communicate desired policy changes: letter-writing, primaries (including campaigning/funding for candidates), protests, marches, press, social-media, etc. Voting against your interest is not one of them.

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You are being asked if you prefer Democrats or Republicans.

I understand why you’d say this. But you arent trying to understand why people are trying to pressure the dem leadership to be better.

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I absolutely understand the anger at the Democratic party. I mention several useful activities to work toward fixing its many failings. The Republican party is strictly worse. Giving equal support to both is counterproductive.

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Dems need all 3 (presidency, house of reps, Senate) to do pretty much anything. They’ve had that for [drumroll please] 4 out of the last 24 years. Or 6 of the last 32 years. Or 6 of the last 44 fucking years.

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Dems need all 3 (presidency, house of reps, Senate) to do pretty much anything.

Thats not how politics works buddy. If what you said were true neither the dems or republicans would have passed any bills in the history of the “republic”. Clearly theres also horse trading, and bribery/lobbying you are pretending dont exist in order to make this weak point.

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With the obstructionist MAGA caucus in your government that would rather vote no to bipartisan bills because it would give a Democrat a win, barely any bills get passed!

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They’ve had that for [drumroll please] 4 out of the last 24 years

It was significantly shorter than that when you consider Senate control to be 60, which is what’s needed to bypass the fillibuster.

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They honored the fillibuster by choice. They didnt have to.

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Supermajority was 4 months, out of the last 44 years. But whenever I mention that people think I’m fixated on that for some reason.

*Oh downvoted already. Some people really don’t like hearing this.

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The more elections the far right loses, the more the overton window shifts to the left.

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I dont think thats true all the time. as we have seen with Biden, If a dem president is a centrist or far right for a dem, it shifts the entire party and the judiciary rightward. These things have monentum.

So I’d say its not simply the “D” that matters in overton shift. It also sets the topics in the political conversation, and either strengthens the party for the next election or leaves it in shattered and misaligned, like we are now about the unpopular far right wing genocide being pushed by a democratic US presidential administration.

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Democrats move further right to get votes from the center but when they win it’ll go left trust me bro

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This, but unironically.

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They go to the center when they lose. If they don’t lose, they don’t need to go to the center to find voters. You can see my other comment, they’ve only had all 3 houses for 4 out of the last 24 years.

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