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It’s not that it will work out good (though in a sense, it has for the R in that they got what they actually wanted), it’s that if the Rs have ~50% ish support, no matter what they do, because of them going that route, the only way to beat them is to get everyone that isn’t them in a coalition together.

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Right and that makes sense…

Unfortunately that’s not what Kamala is doing.

I’ll say it till my face turns blue:

Taking a stand against fracking is all it would take to guarantee trump can’t win, but Kamala is pro-fracking, refuses to give the party voters what they want, and refuses to even explain why being pro-feacking is seen as a good choice by her and her campaign.

That isn’t the only issue she’s to the right of the party on either.

It’s like her, her campaign, and the DNC aren’t focused on beating trump, they want to beat Trump while giving the voters the bare minimum it would take, because the more they give voters, the less they get in donations.

So then telling voters “all that matters is beating trump” it’s obviously bullshit because they’re not doing everything possible to beat trump.

It ain’t complicated.

Like you said:

the only way to beat them is to get everyone that isn’t them in a coalition together.

That’s the opposite of what OP spends their time on, but considering a month ago they were intentionally spreading misinformation about when early voting started, I’m surprised the mods still let them post here.

Every single “meme” OP posts is about how Dem voters should fight with Dem voters rather than band together.

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Taking a stand against fracking is all it would take, when the largest swing state this election has an economy that leans heavily on fracking?

It’s not the instant win you think it is.

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An economy that “leans heavily” on fracking? What sort of economy leans on destroying their water table? What did you say about the economies that “lean heavily” on coal mining?

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when the largest swing state this election has an economy that leans heavily on fracking?

You’re confusing people and corporations…

Pennsylvania voters continue to be split over fracking. A poll out this week, which surveyed 700 likely voters in September, shows 58% support a ban on fracking while 42% oppose it.

https://www.wvia.org/news/pennsylvania-news/2024-10-10/pa-voters-split-on-fracking-but-show-widespread-support-for-stronger-regulations

58% of likely voters in PA want it banned…

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Not the person you replied to, but 58% of Pennsylvanians support a ban on fracking. It really shouldn’t be surprising. Pennsylvania may be a great hub of fracking, but very few people actually benefit from the wealth it creates. Meanwhile, they’re the people actually on the ground, living there in the areas most affected by fracking. They know its effects better than anyone. It’s their ground water and their wells are being contaminated, all so a few companies owned by out of state wealthy interests can profit mightily. Plus, it’s not like Pennsylvanians aren’t also worried about climate change.

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Taking a stand against fracking is all it would take to guarantee trump can’t win, but Kamala is pro-fracking, refuses to give the party voters what they want, and refuses to even explain why being pro-feacking is seen as a good choice by her and her campaign.

I’m skeptical that there’s a huge swath of voters refusing to vote just because of fracking. And if there are people claiming that, I don’t believe they would be voting even if Kamala did come out against fracking anyway. Everyone knows Trump would be much, much worse for the environment than Kamala, and to refuse to vote over one single environmental issue is either very dumb or completely disingenuous.

It’s like her, her campaign, and the DNC aren’t focused on beating trump, they want to beat Trump while giving the voters the bare minimum it would take, because the more they give voters, the less they get in donations.

because, unfortunately, donations are important. It’s a shitty system, and this is what they have to do to win in the system.

It ain’t complicated.

actually it is.

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I’m skeptical that there’s a huge swath of voters refusing to vote just because of fracking

No one said there was.

I said a majority of voters in PA want it banned, and Kamala would gain votes there if she agreed with the Dem voter base nationally and wanted to ban it

https://www.wvia.org/news/pennsylvania-news/2024-10-10/pa-voters-split-on-fracking-but-show-widespread-support-for-stronger-regulations

58% of PA voters want it banned

What is Kamala gaining by being pro-fracking?

Donations so she can try and convince the people who live by fracking and know how bad it is that they should vote for her anyways because Trump is probably fracking?

Even if that works…

You know that means they still have fracking in their backyards, right?

actually it is.

I can admit when I’m wrong, I really didn’t think it needed this much explaining.

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WHY do you dumbasses always think everyone agrees with your personal beliefs??

A LOT of people like fracking, and even more are indifferent. Harris is not looking at this huge fucking majority of Dems who hate fracking and going “nah, I don’t wanna win this election”. She is accurately representing the positions of a majority of Democrats.YOU are the minority.

(And me too, because I’m also anti fracking, but I’m a realist)

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