You sure can if you believe that making an insignificant point in a ballot box is worth more than the actual lives of people who would die because of a Trump administration but not under a Harris one. But if you want to make an actual difference. the ballot box is one of the very few times you need to hold your nose and do the uncomfortable thing of choosing liberalism over fascism.

You can vote for fascism if that’s what you want, I reject it.

But if you’re okay with fascism, sure. Go and make your vote a spoiler that helps the fascists win. I’m sure the people who die because doctors who were scared to provide medically necessary abortions will be grateful that you did the morally superior, but entirely ineffective, thing.

You’re voting fascism in, the Dems have failed for half a century to codify abortion rights because they don’t care.

Wake up commie tool.

Wake up, liberal! Lol

You and everyone else here with an agenda ARE supporting the status quo

TIL advocating people to join revolutionary parties and overthrow the system is “supporting the status quo,” while voting for the establishment parties is “punk.” Is this a Twilight Zone episode?

Do you think you’re voting socialism in with a Jill Stein vote?

Nah, just voting against genocide and Imperialism. Voting doesn’t really matter anyways

Because I guarantee you that’s not what she’s running for.

Cool.

You know very well that you can’t go into an American polling station and vote for anti-establishment policies.

I can and I will.

The spoiler vote comes down to ONE real world mechanic. Undermining the popular candidate’s vote.

Can’t be a spoiler if I would never vote for a genocidal monster anyways. Harris is spoiling her own votes.

getting a better voting system rather than FPTP

i just want to pass by to point out that not-fptp is implemented on many places without the big results the proponents of this solution say it to be.

the same goes for mandatory voting. we have the same issues with electoralism.

“Building an alternative” doesn’t happen in the ballot box. It happens everywhere else.

Mostly correct, actually, it’s just important to highlight how unimportant the ballot box is.

It happens by getting a better voting system rather than FPTP, for which I’m doing actual, active advocacy. (Are you?)

No, because that’s silly, and won’t fix anything. Only revolution can.

It happens by working at a grassroots level to get people with better opinions elected, all the way down to local judges, city council members and library boards, where I, once again, am active. (Are you?)

Ah, the old “out of sight, out of mind” approach! Certainly won’t be sufficient.

It happens by getting involved in politics at a local level and building a movement. I’m doing that. (Are you?) It doesn’t happen by throwing a tantrum in the voting booth.

Yep, I am checking out my local chapters of FRSO and PSL and am going to sign on with one of them. They are DemCent, so I can’t join both.

The fascists know this. The fascists use this to their advantage. And the fascists would absolutely love for there to be 10 competing leftist parties acting as a spoiler effect for liberals. Because as bad as liberals are, fascists are worse.

Fascism is Capitalism in decay, you can’t separate liberalism over time from fascism. Fascism isn’t an idea, but a defensive response to leftism.

Throwing out a “no u” when I point out how the things you are doing are paving the way for fascists is not a good argument unless your goal is to actually get fascists into power. And I will choose liberalism over fascism, because that’s the harm reduction path to leftism, whereas letting the fascists win is the harm maximisation path.

You say this while saying you help perpetuate liberalism, paving the way for fascism, lmao