lemm.ee

https://thefga.org/research/ranked-choice-voting-partisan-plot-to-disrupt-elections/

1 point

5 hours ago

Great, it works out for the democrats, we just need it to be popular.

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Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml

2 points

5 hours ago

It doesn’t, really. You’ll see when it fizzles out.

Additonally, we can see even in other countries with RCV that it doesn’t majorly improve things, RCV isn’t a panacea, the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie still dominates the electoral system.

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4 hours ago

I never said it was a panacea, I said you’d be able to vote for better candidates without risk, currently it makes no sense to vote for candidates that have no chance of winning.

if it fizzles out It’ll be because of republicans, that many bills in that short of a time is not insignificant

i don’t understand why you’re arguing against ranked choice, it’s objectively and obviously better than fptp

do vou think voting jill stein has a higher chance of success even though it’s mathematically impossible?

if everyone doing that instead pushed for ranked choice, maybe you’d get some actual long term results instead of just throwing your vote away

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Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml

2 points

4 hours ago

I’m not arguing against RCV, I’m arguing against the idea that

1: it will ever pass, and

2: the idea that if it passed, it would change anything.

Revolution is necessary, something you’d think was obvious given your username.

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https://thefga.org/research/ranked-choice-voting-partisan-plot-to-disrupt-elections/

1 point

3 hours ago

1: it will ever pass, and

you’re wrong there, by your own reasoning, it would be hugely beneficial for the democrats to pass ranked choice.

2: the idea that if it passed, it would change anything.

Of course it would change things, you’re clearly all or nothing, but the fact of the matter is ranked choice voting is OBJECTIVELY a better system, and it would allow you to actually run candidates and potentially make meaningful change. You would never have to hopelessly strategically vote and end up accomplishing nothing, you could have a socialist candidate that you could freely vote for without helping fascists. This is massive even if you refuse to acknowledge it.

Revolution is necessary, something you’d think was obvious given your username.

I agree, revolution is necessary to fix everything, but I don’t think revolution is more realistic than passing ranked choice voting, because i’m not braindead. The fact is, passing ranked choice would still be of great benefit to the working class, just because it doesn’t become your ideal utopia overnight doesn’t mean ranked choice doesn’t matter at all and isn’t worth doing.

By your own logic, if no policy has ever benefitted the american people without a revolution, why did the ACA pass?

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1 point

4 hours ago

It’s probably best not to bother - these people want things as shitty as possible as fast as possible to make the revolution happen sooner or some shit

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3 hours ago

No they don’t, they just feel hopeless because meaningful change should be easy because a lot of the solutions are really fucking obvious but the MAGA side of the american people are actually mentally handicapped, and the democrat side is made moderate by their existence so almost nothing ever gets accomplished and it makes it feel like nothing CAN be accomplished.

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boywar3@lemmy.world

1 point

1 hour ago

The problem, of course, is that they have opted for the self-destructive course and lash out uselessly at people who want change but have been forced to look at the reality of the situation and try to reduce damage as much as possible.

What they are doing now, calling anyone who votes Democrat a genocide supporter, is a prime example of that useless lashing out, as it isn’t productive, particularly in a rather small online space.

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