Comment by SquirtleHermit@lemmy.world on bOtH sIdEs ArE tHe SaMe

I get that this is not the hill to die on in this meme, but the tracks should really be reversed.

This implies “doing nothing” will only sacrifice Palestine, while “pulling the lever” (i.e. voting) will sacrifice Palestine+all other at risk groups.

Otherwise, this really is a classic trolly dilemma. We can’t stop the train and someone is going to get killed.

Yeah, but that would require an understanding of the trolley problem as a philosophical dilemma, and how are you gonna use that to yell at people you hate?

Hasn’t everyone watched the Good Place?

We can’t stop the train and someone is going to get killed.

We really fucking can, it just requires more people to care enough to be willing to do more than the bare fucking minimum of participating in this theatre those profiting from war have set out for us, and look outside of the system you have indoctrinated to believe isn’t only the default, but the best (and if this doesn’t demonstrate that fact to you, I honestly think you’re beyond help).

I fully believe the system we live in is broken, and is nowhere near “the best”. But the system does have many people who are indoctrinated, and many who benefit from it too greatly to make me believe we have sufficient time to derail it before some of the death implied in this meme comes.

But if you have a plan more tangible then telling people “wake up sheeple!”, then I’m ready to hear it. And if it’s actually convincing, then I’m ready to help.

But randomly telling people they have been indoctrinated, declaring it to be self evident, and then accusing them of being beyond help if they don’t see it, is nothing more than pointless moral masturbation. Maybe it makes you feel better, but it’s not helping nor convincing anyone.

Let me know what your plan is when you have it figured out. In the mean time, I’m going to go back to helping who I can.

Right, and one of the main, basic ways in which one can consider the trolley problem is that, regardless of the difference in outcomes, pulling the lever makes you morally responsible for what happens.

Also not pulling the lever makes you morally responsible if you “stand by and do nothing”

That’s another way of looking at it

Decisions have consequences, doing nothing is a decision.

“doing nothing is a decision” is a legitimate position you can argue for, but it is not some kind of settled moral fact that you can just assert without any justification.

It’s less a moral fact and more a fact of life. If you don’t pay bills you get late fees then stop getting the service. If you don’t study you don’t do as well as studying a little or a lot. If you don’t make a move on the girl you like someone else will and/or she’ll move on. If you don’t stop facism…

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

In politics the don’t vote and vote third party are essentially the same of doing nothing until ftfp is fixed.

That’s literally the point

Unless the lever is in another country and you’re just paying the guy pulling the lever, then “there’s nothing I can do”.

That’s hotly debated by moral philosophers and ethicists.

Yes that’s my point exactly, people love to dogpile on anyone who doesn’t jump at the easy consequentialist solution, but there are other valid interpretations

This meme also implies that the current US strategy is not to fund Ukraine just enough to take Russia to Hell with it. It also implies the Democrats don’t rely on anti-LGBTQ votes because one single comment made by Waltz. This meme also implies Democrat are pushing laws to combat police brutality (at least fix this at local or state levels in cities where they hold the majority).

The Democrats here now have worse arguments than the tankies.

Kamala literally used to fight for sexual assault victims and such

Walz used to fight for his school kids

Trump bragged on Howard Stern about perving on young girls and is a convicted rapist

You do realize there is both a house and Senate right, and unless they have control of both, they can’t necessarily just push laws. That’s what politics is

And in the past few years, the Republicans have only been interested in sabotage it seems (if Trump loses this election, there is a better chance they will be more willing to work when Democrats)

They’re not relying on this shit. The most commonly cited reason even by Republicans voting for Harris is that Trump is a dictator that wants to ruin the country

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