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In my mind, Oppenheimer figured out this when he said that:

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are you really both-sidesing the literal nazis?

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We never nuked the Nazis…But even if we did, are you saying that the Nazis being Nazis would’ve justified vaporizing every civilian man, woman, and child in a city or two?

Whether or not you’d say it was justified is a different beast altogether than having to be the one that made it possible in terms of responsibility.

Tangentially, many firing squads will have only one person have a real bullet(s) while the rest have blanks so that they don’t all have to feel responsible for ending a life. Even that is setting justification aside.

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The belief was that the bombs would save lives compared to an invasion on both sides. There’s been a lot of retrospective analysis, but most of it agrees with that assessment. An invasion of Japan would have been absolutely ruinous for Japan’s civilian population. But it’s still a question of whether the ends justify the means in a lesser of two evils situation.

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the Nazis being Nazis would’ve justified vaporizing every civilian man, woman, and child in a city or two

  • The bomb didn’t “vaporize every man woman and child”.
  • 175 000 Volksturm (civilians pressed into service by their government, including women and children) died fighting the Allied advance into Germany. Dropping the bomb to end the war early would have prevented these deaths.
  • This isn’t to mention the number of civilians who died as a result of being too close to the fighting. 125 000 civilians died in the Battle of Berlin alone.
  • Also consider the number of soldiers who died on both sides which wouldn’t have happened had the war been ended early. The US produced so many Purple Heart medals (given to those who are killed or wounded while serving) in preparation for their invasion of Japan that they’re still using them today.

So yes dropping the bomb to end the war in Europe early would have been justified. Now please stop being a literal nazi apologist.

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