cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/30986085

Poor one out for all your LGBTQ+ homies in America, they’re about to be hunted for sport.

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No, wanting one specific group that you refuse to save you from fascism, even though you offer them nothing, is fucking entitled.

That we refuse to save?

I’m sure you have a great screed ready about how both sides are the same, but considering that one side just won, you shouldn’t be bothered in the least.

You want to be pandered to, and think that’s what involvement in an election is about, not the exercise of political power by the citizenry. You had power. You did nothing with it. You stood by as fascism swept into stronger positions. And you fascist-enablers absolutely deserve a share of the blame.

Have fun with yourselves, Zentrum.

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Oh, I had the power to stop this? Really? Cause I fucking voted for Harris, even though there was a 0% chance my state would go red. What else did you want me to fucking do? Vote harder? I’m not a god Damn political party that spent $7 billion this election, and I don’t get to dictate the Democratic strategy.

I actually don’t think both sides are the same, but you’re welcome to go through my comment history and check that. You won’t find any both-sides comments, but you’ll find a lot of comments like, “Harris needs to distance herself from Biden’s position on Gaza,” and, “campaigning with Republicans is going to depress progressive turnout.” But again, I’m not the God damn DNC, so I didn’t get to make that choice. I do have to sit with the consequences, but I’m not going to sit with the blame.

It’s this fucking simple; you don’t want to, “pander,” to the left? Then don’t assume the left is going to save you. And if you are going to pander to the center, you better be able to win with the fucking center.

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Oh, I had the power to stop this? Really? Cause I fucking voted for Harris, even though there was a 0% chance my state would go red. What else did you want me to fucking do? Vote harder?

No, you aren’t at fault, then. But fascism-enablers who refused to vote and beat the “BOTH SIDES ARE THE SAME” drum absolutely are, and playing defense for them is inexplicable.

I actually don’t think both sides are the same,

Then the Democrats certainly had plenty to offer the left. It’s just that the left decided it wasn’t enough.

It’s this fucking simple; you don’t want to, “pander,” to the left? Then don’t assume the left is going to save you.

I would put this differently - if you need to be pandered to, you aren’t treating your political power seriously - or worse, you’re treating it selfishly. As political agents, every voter has the power to sway the election, some small amount, towards or away from their own ideals. If one says, “I’m not going to pick the side closer to me because it doesn’t give me enough asspats or fuzzy feelies”, they’re treating politics as a personal and spiritual experience, not an actual, practical exercise of power.

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I would put this differently - if you need to be pandered to, you aren’t treating your political power seriously - or worse, you’re treating it selfishly. As political agents, every voter has the power to sway the election, some small amount, towards or away from their own ideals

Wow, this would be a great point, except voting isn’t mandatory, or a federal holiday, and mail in voting is restrictive in many states, and sometimes people have to wait hours in poll lines, and leave work early, and find people to watch their kids. You’re not asking to check a box, you’re asking them to sacrifice time and even money to show up for you, and if you’re going to do that, you have to motivate them. And if you’re first reaction this morning isn’t to be angry at the party for failing so spectacularly in motivating people, but instead to yell at fucking return2ozma, you’re really showing what you really think.

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