Russia says Ukraine targeted Moscow with drones on Sunday, the latest in a series of attacks that have brought the Ukraine war to Russia’s capital.

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People can turn away from supporting a war pretty quickly when it suddently reaches your doorstep.

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Or they can become more in favor of it.

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Yeah suddenly the “nazi” regime is “attacking”. When you see yourselves as the heroic liberators, being attacked on your home turf comes across as evil aggression, instead of what it really is. 0.0001% of the pain you’ve inflicted being returned to you.

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That was my take, given Putin history of the checyen false flag I was almost thinking false flag to get home support, it is only the fact Kyiv, while not actively admitting, still hint at responsible that changed mind. It does seem a odd tactic going for such a dense civilian heavily defended area for little advantage in stopping war machine.

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That is not what has ever happened at any point in time historically, I actually can’t think of a single example. When war is on the doorstep support for your own side typically hardens massively.

The times where populations have turned against wars have always been when the troops are fighting far away from home in lands that the home population feels they shouldn’t be dying in.

This will only make people cling to support for the military because they rely on it for personal safety.

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That is not what has ever happened at any point in time historically, I actually can’t think of a single example.

Russia in 1917

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Mahkno? I’m fairly sure they walked under a very pirate-ey black flag back then.

Worth noting that the actual origin of the bisected red/black flag is the First International in 1864, which was both anarchist+communist before the split occurred between Marx and Bakunin. Anarchists would be banned from the future ones as a result of the split and disagreements that occurred. They flew the red flag alone from that point onwards.

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That is not what has ever happened at any point in time historically, I actually can’t think of a single example.

There are countless historical examples of cities and nations surrendering without a fight when faced with attack. Just look at the Mongol conquests for an obvious starting point.

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Civilians do not decide whether to surrender or not. Militaries and leadership do.

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Then they can watch their entire country burn. FAFO. Slava Ukraini.

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Mate you’re advocating for a genocide against civilians. That’s not acceptable, and all you’re doing by writing this stuff online is creating content that Russians read and think to themselves “wow, the west really are fascists that want to murder us all”. It doesn’t help, it ends up getting used to reinforce the propaganda.

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It usually has the opposite effect and hardens resolve

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Press X to doubt.

Everyone is a badass until bullets start whizzing by your ass.

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Idk man, humans are wild. WW2 germany fought for a loooong time after the war had really been lost.

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By that logic Ukraine would have capitulated by now…

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All it took was a harbor…

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