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Starvation is the natural state of the individual. Society separates us from that.

How so? Isn’t the point of this meme that you have to work in society (in general) to not starve?

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work in society (in general) to not starve

No. Capitalism requires that we ‘work’. I.e. provide output that is valuable to the capitalists. In a normal society, there are other forms of value that merit the person existing.

But also, we’re human. One of the reasons I want people to not starve is that I’m not a sociopath. So sometimes the value a person provides to society is that they’re not starving in the middle of the street. There’s value in that.

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output that is valuable to capital (owners)

This is false. You need to provide output that is valuable to your consumers

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This is false. There are many types of work that the market fails to value accurately. An example of this would be economic public goods. A producer of these will not be rewarded anywhere near the social value of what they produce

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No, the owner needs to do that to stay in business. You need to provide output valuable to the owners. The owner can decide whether you need to provide value to the customers or not.

Example: Nepotism.

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In a normal society

What’s a normal society? Is this a no true scottsman argument? It’d be my perspective that in the vast majority of societies people generally have to work to live.

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normal society

Good point! Let’s start with a definition that’s something like… a society of humans that are treated like humans, and not treated like ‘human capital’, and go from there.

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Some societies have figured out how to care for people better than other societies.

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That’s awesome!

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