First time I’ve heard that term.

I like it.

Why should Ukraine have to make any conversations at all? Russia invaded and took land and lives, and you think Ukraine should just give up some of that, just cuz?

Russia is contractually obligated to shoot itself in the head right now, according to a treaty they signed declaring they are bound to Ukraine’s defense should an armed force invade it. I’m not really sure what Russia plans to bring to the table when they have broken every promise they have made and stolen from Ukraine.

You’re asking Ukraine to barter with the armed robber who claims ownership of your house.

Oh okay, so if I held enough people hostage I can have your stuff? Good to know…good to know…

You’ve got an important word there. Scale.

Countries aren’t people but they’re made up of them. It wouldn’t take nuclear weapons to annihilate your household.

Russia has invaded Ukraine’s home and tried to lay claim. Now you’re suggesting they give up what was taken from them to satisfy your desire for peace.

The analogy the other person used is fair. In another analogy Russia is nothing more than a bully. We’ve long moved past the time where the advice we give is to just give the bully your money so they don’t beat you up and take it anyway.

The thing with nukes is that it’s suicide, and they know it. So they just use the threat of it to get whatever they want, in the hopes that the people in charge are like you and will just flop over to their demands whenever they dangle the threat.

I’m not in the states, thanks for assuming that though.

Oh yeah that worked so well for them in 1997 and 2014. Did people forget that peace negotiations have happened before and russia has broken the agreement every time?

Why would Ukraine or anyone for that matter take anything the russian federation says as not a lie? Also I think that in this case it would be stupid for Ukraine to allow russia any ability to regroup.

Thing is the only thing Putin wants is the eradication of all Ukraine.

This is a war of annihilation. There are no concessions.

Have a starting point from a man much more intelligent than I: https://youtu.be/mMZYKxgc9TE

(And a video he did 9 years ago: https://youtu.be/A2nklduvThs)

If someone came into your country and started to rape, kill and kidnap your people would you roll over and give them whatever they wanted to stop doing that?