Comment by Hazzard@lemm.ee on Is is possible to see who upvoted/downvoted a specific comment?

I read on reddit that on Lemmy you can see users’ upvote/downvote history. I therefore expected to be able to see upvote/downvote breakdown by user for my own comments. But couldn’t find this. Does this feature exist or is that a myth?

Hmmm, tbh, I don’t think that’s a feature I’d want. Every now and again you see “that guy” furious that he’s getting downvotes, doubling down and trying to start an argument or something. I don’t need that guy showing up in my DMs.

If you aren’t willing to own your interactions with people, maybe you shouldn’t be doing it? Why do you feel the need to hide? Thought processes like this are what leads to toxicity online. If you aren’t willing to own your comments and votes, you shouldn’t be allowed to interact with people in a community.

We call people that want to be negative online while remaining anonymous a troll. Don’t be a troll.

It actually already is a feature. Kbin puts it upfront, and I think lemmy also has a way to access it.

I think it remains to be seen whether or not it’s a good idea.

I’ve seen some people say they like the idea because it make people think twice about downvoting - it cuts back on the instinctive “I don’t like this so I am gonna downvote.”

But, as you said, do we really want people coming after you because you downvoted them? There are crazy ass people out there, and if you ever get doxxed it could be a problem.

Maybe that last point is hyperbole, but crazy people are gonna do crazy things.

“karma” (as reddit calls scoring) never was more true to its name. :)

I haven’t looked at Lemmy’s implementation of upvotes/downvotes, but they should be ActivityPub activities, so it means they should appear by making a request to the user’s actor.

EDIT: I’ve just checked random users outbox (that’s the ActivityPub name for the list of activities), included mine, they are actually just empty. So that probably means that Lemmy is only publishing the upvotes/downvotes when pushing activities to federated servers, which would make those activities way more private, although not completely : someone could setup their own instance to learn about them, and it’s best to be assume that at some point, someone will start such instance and publish an app revealing all votes for everybody (plus, as others mentioned, Kbin is already doing it).

Right.

My intuition says this has to do with kbin wanting to interface with mastodon, but I cant be sure.

I do wonder how this will impact the Fediverse as it grows. I would not be surprised if the feature creates schisms in the future.

It’s possible now if you visit the same page through kbin.

Yeah only necessary for the admins to see vote manipulation bots.

Oooh, good point. As an admin/moderator feature, that’s a much better idea.

Nah not for mods, there are communitys with certain mods that already behave like u/awkwardturtle did just and only for the admins

Yeah agree I am not sure that’s a feature I’d want either tbh if it wasn’t already there. But seems like it is in some form.

Yeah, having it on your user page is much less dangerous, imo. Still a possibility of getting called out if you downvote someone you’re arguing with, but you’re already in the comments there.

The only way I see a problem is if someone writes a bot or extension that reads the user profile into something “per comment”, and if that gets enough traction and use to build up a strong database. However, in that case, I’d imagine the Lemmy devs would build a feature to let instance admins hide that information from regular users.

It’s part of the ActivityPub protocol. It’s inherent in the system unless you don’t want votes to register on anything but the local server.

Don’t vote if you aren’t willing to own your interactions. Stop being a troll.

It’s not being a troll, downvotes are part of the system for a reason: suppressing toxicity. If you downvote a toxic comment to push it down in the algorithm, there shouldn’t be a risk of that toxic person deciding they have a grudge and attacking you personally. Otherwise you risk downvotes not being used for their intended purpose, and an overall more toxic environment.

It absolutely is being a troll. If you aren’t willing to associate yourself with your participation, that’s the definition of a troll.

With anonymous downvotes, they are already weaponized and used to suppress topics. Having publicly available voting means you can block people who are toxic downvoters and/or hopefully ban those people/bots that do that.

Let me say this again so I can be perfectly clear: **If you are not willing to own your participation on a public forum, you should not be participating on that public forum. Go to a private one. **

The rise of online toxicity is a direct correlation with anonymity. What’s even more egregious about your stance is the fact that if you want to be anonymous and maintain your anonimity, it’s easy to do: use a throwaway account or otherwise anonymous account on yours or any other lemmy instance. There is absolutely NO valid reason to not have your voting history public in the Fediverse. The privacy crowd can make that happen by having throwaway accounts (which can be banned for being toxic, etc…) and people who want to have civilized discussions can have that by blocking/banning problem accounts. Taking away the public nature of your participation ONLY encourages toxic behavior and the ONLY people advocating for private voting are either trolls or people who don’t understand the problem.

I’m not sure I understand your position here, because voting is such a minor part of the system. A troll that only trolls by upvoting and downvoting isn’t much of a threat, unless they’ve got a dozen alt accounts or a botnet, both of which are different situations that should be handled differently. “The definition of a troll” is ridiculous hyperbole.

And as far as bans are concerned, that’s a moderation problem, not your role as an individual. I’ve never suggested votes should be completely untraceable, that’d be patently ridiculous and remove the ability to actually handle vote manipulation. Moderators and admins should obviously have that access, as I’ve asserted in this thread.

I’m also not advocating my votes be anonymous, I’m fine with having them public on my page. That alone gives you the complete ability to make a judgement about me as a person, or whatever it is you want to do with that. What I’m suggesting is that a user who’s just been downvoted shouldn’t have a trivial way of linking it to the individual who downvoted them in order to harass them.

Frankly, the impression I’m getting is that you’re not actually paying much attention to the case I’ve made, and are instead just using my comments as a platform to have a completely different argument that you’re passionate about. That’s the ONLY way that you could have missed my point so entirely, and come to the conclusion that I could ONLY be a troll or a moron.

Haha, well this aged like milk

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