Comment by snooggums@kbin.social on HIMARS takes out a Russian R-330Zh "Zhitel" electronic warfare vehicle and several infantry.

he vast majority are just brainwashed young men with no good options

Definitely a significant portion, but not “the vast majority”. It also doesn’t matter in the big picture because they are complicit as members of an invading force.

I would argue the vast majority. Don’t underestimate the amount of propaganda they go through.

I feel sad seeing all deaths in this war. I just feel less sad when it’s the invaders.

And yet you felt the need to try and make it about the poor, poor soldiers who are regularly killing Ukranian civilians to stroke Putin’s ego.

I mean now you’re just pivoting from the standard soldier, which we are taking about, to the ones committing the war crimes. Which isn’t an insignificant amount and I won’t try to excuse their behavior but I don’t think it’s fair to say all of them are war criminals.

But for the standard Russian soldier hanging out in a trench after getting swept off the streets in some minority region of Russia and pushed straight to the front lines and getting a grenade dropped on him from a drone; Yes, I feel a bit bad for them.

However because I feel sad for Soldiers dying in a war I’m suddenly an apologist?

In general, no.

Trying to pain the “vast majority” of the Russian army invading Ukraine as falling for propaganda or being conscripted, and then doubling down on how they are just poor misguided souls while the war is currently going on right now, yes. That context makes it being an apologist.

We can focus on the mistreatment of Russian soldiers by Russia after they are driven from Ukraine. Nothing positive comes from that right now in a thread that exists in a community about Ukraine discussing the current invasion of Ukraine.

@snooggums @LaFinlandia @espentan @awwwyissss @cooljacob204 Being sorry for lives lost in the war, which means being sorry for russians getting killed is bothsidesing and false balance.

Russians started the killing. Russians can stop it any minute. Russian commit barbaric war crimes every day.
Russians are human beings which are responsible for their actions. Russians decide every day to perpetuate the barbarism. They are responsible. Each and everyone who does not stand up against the terror

It’s not both siding lmao. I’m not going to bother explaining because I explained my viewpoint plenty in my other comments. You’re free to read them.

However I find it irritating that you can’t ever have a nuanced view on something without being forced onto a side by other commenters.

I’m pretty clearly pro Ukrainian and anti Russian. And it sucks that people like you attempt to make people like me who feel some amount of sadness for Russian foot soldiers dying in stupid war into an anti Ukrainian thing. Sorry for being a human with human emotions.

Fuck you for wishing death on either side

@rogerhaase @snooggums @LaFinlandia @espentan @awwwyissss @cooljacob204 absolutely 💯
May every Russian that raises their hand to kill on Ukrainian soil be left to grow beautiful flowers
Use your arms to rebel against your oppressive filthy Russian government.
There is no excuse for the horrific evil they’ve brought to the Ukrainians and by extension the rest of our world. This is a Russian peoples enabled war. No different then the German populace in ww2. Period.

It’s important to keep our own humanity in the face of barbaric actions. Like I said, I’m glad those soldiers are gone. At the same time, I realize that a lot of them were forced to be there. A lot of them genuinely believed they were on the right side as they lay there dying.

HIMARS takes out a Russian R-330Zh "Zhitel" electronic warfare vehicle and several infantry.(streamable.com)

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