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You’re partly right. But it’s the job of the citizenry to stand up to this stuff, not the state. We can’t keep our heads down and hope it goes away on its own. We shouldn’t allow the state, with its monopoly on violence, to fight our social battles for us.

I dislike the idea of the state getting to start making decisions on what is “hateful”. And I’m disgusted we don’t have more people standing up and loudly declaring how wrong the hateful viewpoints are. It is our responsibility and we are failing.

It is a tempting proposition to let the state handle hateful speech, but we don’t have to look much further than Florida to see what happens when the shit side is in power and starts redefining what is “hateful”.

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But it’s the job of the citizenry to stand up to this stuff, not the state.

So what’s the state for?

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So what’s the state for?

Serving the interests of the citizens.

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Also make laws

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Nah. Our state should do more and better things than that.

I like having a space program, for example. And education for all

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That’s a good question ;)

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The function of a properly constituted government is to prevent other worse governments from forming.

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This doesn’t define what a properly constituted government is though. Any government can prevent other worse governments from forming, all they need to do is massacre their citizens and there will be nobody left to form a government.

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It is a tempting proposition to let the state handle hateful speech, but we don’t have to look much further than Florida to see what happens when the shit side is in power

You seem to be suggesting that separating hate speech prevention from legislation will protect you from a “tyranny of the majority” situation.

But if the populace has a bigoted plurality, won’t that also create a tyranny of the majority?

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If the populace has a bigoted plurality, then they get to declare what is officially hateful. So yes, you’re right.

I put the onus on the collective citizenry, but there is no perfect solution in reality. There is a role for the state to play in protecting people, I just don’t think they should dip much into what speech is or isn’t allowed. The majority should rule in my opinion, but we have the job of maintaining a majority that isn’t regressive bigoted shitheads. It’s an eternal struggle, unfortunately.

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Defamation, intellectual property, stalking/threats, harmful digital communications, false advertising, accurate declarations of food contents, protected names, conspiracy to commit serious crimes: all these forms of speech are regulated by law and the judiciary where I live, so I have no problem with hate speech laws as long as they are clear and reasonable.

Personally I am in favour of proportionally representative democracy with a lot of checks and balances to enshrine human rights in law, so that if a populace wavers toward the hateful there are still protections for minorities and the non-hateful.

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‘Hate’ is vague. ‘Intolerance’ however, is probably legally definable.

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Definition of intolerance: opposite of tolerance.

QED

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