“This was not reckless driving. This was murder,” the judge said before she read out Mackenzie Shirilla’s verdict Monday afternoon.

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-32 points

Sounds more like a suicide/self harm thing to me.

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When you include an unconsenting person in the attempt, it is also murder.

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Not a lawyer, but even if they consent isn’t it murder?

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You can’t consent to murder, the best you could do is indemnify someone/an organisation against accidental death.

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There are cases of mutual murderer/suicide pacts where there’s shared responsibility and actions taken by each party but that wouldn’t have been possible when she was the only one in control of the car. Even if the boyfriend was suicidal, and there’s no reason to think he was from this article, the other passenger clearly wasn’t. IANAL either but I think that’s what the above comment was trying to get at.

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It sounds much more like an abusive relationship. She was trying to punish him, regardless of the risk to herself.

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…no, no, no… only WOMEN can be in abusive relationships.

At least that is the utter bullshit you would believe if you listened to the feminist/white knight rhetoric out there.

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This would have been better if you left it untyped.

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If you attempt to kill yourself and take other people with you, it’s commonly called murder/suicide. Killing people with intent is usually murder.

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A woman kills family then kills self. Is it murder!!! Oh. No, just self-harm.

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That’s not exactly what has happened here and derailing it using emotional hyperbole won’t help either.

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Honestly, it’s very very similar. AFAICT she was trying to punish him. It has all the hallmarks of an abusive relationship. And an all too common outcome.

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If you’re trying to kill others along with you, it’s not just suicide, it’s also murder.

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This is why suicidal people are dangerous, it’s a relatively small change from killing yourself, to killing others.

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This is why pastry chefs are dangerous, it’s a relatively small change from baking your bread, to baking others.

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This is why being baked while baking with a baker is dangerous. You get too baked and you might get baked by the baker for making bad cakes.

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Baking bread and stuff is easier. Have you seen hot fat people have gotten? No way I am getting an adult into my oven.

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@ryathal @agressivelyPassive

Have suicidal ideation is in no way, shape or form the same as being the perpetrator of a murder-suicide. Neither is being suicidal a lead-in to becoming a murderer.

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Driving a car at 100mph into a building is more than ideation. That’s attempted suicide.

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What a ridiculous take.

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As such, it is clear that suicides tend to have high levels of aggressive–destructive impulsive behaviours, generally referred to as impulsive–aggressive behaviours. These have been operationally defined in suicide studies as a tendency to react with animosity or overt hostility without consideration to possible consequences, when piqued or under stress.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1277022/

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No there may be a small chance of collateral damage, such as this case. But suicidal thinking does not make you think of killing others. You’re clearly lucky enough to have never had suicidal ideation, but it never comes near the kind of thoughts that want to kill others

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It changes when it comes to acting. If you have the gun to your head, shooting someone telling you to stop is also highly likely.

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If you feel that way, you might be the dangerous one

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Now this is just plain stupidity

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I have a relative who was recently given a DUI.

They went to the store, sober, and bought a handle of vodka (1.75 liters) consumed the vast majority, and drove around.

He wanted to die in a head on collision. Selfish fuck.

I don’t have a problem with people having the freedom to decide enough is enough, but don’t harm others in the process, at least more so than the death would cause. Especially innocent unrelated people.

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