The international chess federation known as FIDE has published new rules that state that a person whose “gender was changed from a male to a female the player has no right to participate in official FIDE events for women until further FIDE’s decision is made”.

The new rules introduce the following changes:

  • Trans women cannot participate in the women’s category unless they are explicitly allowed in a case-by-case process that can take up to two years.
  • Trans men will be stripped of their titles achieved before their transition while trans women will retain their titles achieved before their transition.
  • In case a trans person is allowed to participate, their trans condition will be added to their files and communicated to events organizers.
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It’s not like being in swimming where having gone through puberty as a male gives you an unfair advantage.

Except for the bit where it doesn’t (assuming you are on feminising HRT)…

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This comment is being removed because it’s not by a medical professional and is either factually incorrect or is not presenting a good faith argument on the validity of inclusion for transgender athletes. For an example of a good faith scientific consensus please check out the following review: https://www.cces.ca/transgender-women-athletes-and-elite-sport-scientific-review

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blatantly lying

You may want to take another look at beehaw’s FAQ, specifically the bit on the spirit of the rules…

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Be(e) nice. Don’t accuse someone of lying because they said something you don’t agree with.

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Trans women have less testosterone than cis women, to the point where if they want to have some in their system they have to take progesterone.

So, basically, you’re just making stuff up.

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The estrogen treatment regimens used in transgender women aim to lower testosterone levels to within the female range (<1 nmol/L) [52]. However, hormone therapy alone has met limited success in suppressing testosterone levels, with many transgender women failing to achieve the desired level. In recent studies of transgender women, one quartile failed to achieve any significant suppression [53] and one-third failed to suppress testosterone levels despite achieving desired estradiol levels [54]. Another study reported that only 49% of transgender women showed suppressed testosterone concentrations after 6 months or more of estrogen with the addition of antiandrogen therapy [55]. Notably, Jarin and colleagues show that testosterone levels in transgender women decreased significantly from former male levels, however nearly all participants maintained their testosterone levels above the female range [56]. Whether elite transwoman athletes experience the same difficulties in suppressing testosterone levels with estrogen therapy has not been reported.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9331831/

No, I’m really not making things up. This is actual scientific fact.

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This argument is irrelevant in the end because trans women are women. Even if it were true that some trans women have a net advantage due to having gone through a male puberty, It’s okay to have biological advantages in sports. That’s kind of the point of sports, no? As long as they’re taking hrt to get rid of the bulk of the advantages a male body brings I don’t see what the issue is.

The second you exclude trans women, it is no longer a women’s division.

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My last testosterone reading was 14 (ng/dL) which is less than cis women. What you are saying is demonstrably false.

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Go look up the performance of MtF swimmers before and after their transition rather than spouting pseudoscience.

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You mean like division 1 champion lia Thomas?

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