Comment by Jay@sh.itjust.works on 5 parallel universes ahead

Who will explain the concept of a regular printer to him?

Who will explain the concept of a plotter to you?

Plotters are awesome.

Like a printer, but with pens.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plotter

Or knives! Or inkjets! There are all kinds of bastards, I used to work with the knife variety (huge Roland thingamabobs) and also sell them.

Thanks, I’ve never dealt with that before. But from what I’ve read, a regular printer would still make more sense for such a task.

Benefits of a plotter in this case:

easier to align with the existing lines on the paper
the ink doesn’t look printed (depending on the pen; I would use a blue ball-pen to make text look more authentic)
there are pressure-marks left on the paper, you wouldn’t have these on regular printers

And as I found out in this thread, you can also adjust the handwriting. That’s cool. But in the picture, the writing looks so artificial that the person could have used a normal printer.

Wait shit I just use one as a printer for bigass drawings. I didn’t realize it used a pen

Most modern “plotters” are just bigass printers. The word used to only mean pen-based vector-drawing machines, but the overlapping use in architechture and engineering meant that as cheap inkjets supplanted the pen plotters they co-opted the name.

Theoretically it could be 3D printer but used like a plotter here.

Teachers are starting to enforce hand written assignments to stop the use of chatGPT

Sounds like a disability act lawsuit waiting to happen tbh. Some of us have very poor fine motor skills or worse and would be severely disadvantaged by having to do even short hand written assignments…

If someone actually had a disability, they wouldn’t have to do it or would be given other accommodations. That’s basically how it was for thousands of years before people had word processors.

Yeah, except many schools don’t have the tools to properly do such accommodation, meaning that the students with disabilities are inevitably left behind.

Especially the ones like me with hard to detect disabilities such as ADHD who would have to fight tooth and nail to get their disability acknowledged in the first place and then to convince them of the fact that ADHD, while being mainly mental, DOES significantly impair fine motor skills used for hand writing.

Lemmy accidentally deleted my comment right before I was going to post it, I had to rewrite it.

I’ve fought for years to get accommodations that I was legally obligated to, (504 Plan) fought with a school, (they were actively refusing to give accommodations, illegally) for 3 years, before giving up and switching schools.

The next couple of schools I tried were not well equipped to provide accommodations, albeit not malicious, (in one case not telling anyone until two months in)

Even after I finally got what I was legally owed, I still had to put up with often writing assignments by hand, (I have fine motor coordination disorder, as the commenter above mentioned), including an entire test. (One of the end of year ones for my sophomore year)

I also have CAPD, which allowed me to skip taking Spanish class, after two years of fighting for it. (I failed the first year of Spanish for obvious reasons, I had to retake it the next year.) (This was at the first school, I don’t know why I was able to get this accommodation but not the others, I was in middle school)

Fun fact, fine motor skills are taught differently in different countries. In some countries, children spend a considerable time improving their writing skills and even the less gifted reach a reasonable level. Of course, I am not talking about children with central nervous system or physical disabilities.

Also, spending so much time on fine motor skills reduces their ability to work in other, somewhat more relevant skills.

I’m not talking about students who haven’t done their cursive exercises, I’m talking about students with disabilities making hand writing inherently much more difficult than for other students, especially the ones who’d have to fight tooth and nail to prove it because their handicap is generally thought to be “only mental” in spite of being more complex, like ADHD.

They would almost certainly make accommodations. I saw many such examples throughout my years of schooling.

Germany traditionally is quite shocking in their practice of segregating children with disabilities into special Förderschulen. Whereas the U.S. has the Individual’s with Disabilities Education Act since the 1970s, Germany was basically forced into integration recently after the country signed the U.N. Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities in 2009. And even then, they are taking their sweet time to integrate. See e.g. https://www.aktion-mensch.de/inklusion/bildung/hintergrund/zahlen-daten-und-fakten/inklusionsquoten-in-deutschland as how currently, slightly less than half of German students with disabilities go to a regular school (the Inklusionsanteil).

They want you to hand copy what ChatGPT outputs and turn it in? That’s a terrible response to AI. If they want to hold you accountable, they should have you write it right there in front of them.

Now you’re sounding like Elon Musk demanding that people who work better from home return to Tesla offices…

Only worse, since you also want to add an extra anxiety-inducing and impractical layer of in-person surveillance 🤦

You sound like a lazy spoiled brat who just wants to get out of doing homework and play video games all day.

Never said anything of the sort. That’s your own uncreative view of the world refusing to see any alternative to how things were done back when they didn’t have the technology we have today.

Homework requiring writing some shit down from Wikipedia is useless homework anyways - and here this seems to be the case.

They’re trying to make sure you actually read the material. 🤦

This has nothing to do with work from home policies. I also don’t know how to approach the concept that completing schoolwork in school is “in person surveillance” and not just “schoolwork”

It’s like (lack of) work from home politicies in that it’s forcing people to do things a specific way in a specific place even though it’s much less convenient AND much less efficient.

It’s in person surveillance because “right in front of” implies physical proximity where the teacher is watching, making some students unnecessarily anxious.

I get that you probably grew up in a more primitive time where such methods were the norm, but things change as society progresses and your industrial age solution to an information age challenge is likely to cause a lot more harm than good, if it even does good at all.

Ok, so if you think students demonstrating their knowledge in class is “primitive,” can you describe how you think school should work?

It’s a deterrent, not an end all be all solution to end cheating.

Ok, so hand copy all your assignments from ChatGPT all semester and I, the instructor, will count them as 50 percent of your final grade. The other 50 percent is based on a hand-written final essay written in class. How do you think you will do?

I am old so all of my formal university education was completed decades ago, but people cheated back then too and in my experience it’s usually way more effort than it’s worth as opposed to just doing the work and coming out with the skills you’ll need to be successful at the next level.

That’s my dreary little bit of moralizing for the day.

Sure, but you can clearly see from the result that it’s not handwritten. The person could have used a normal printer.

This video says it’s possible to make it look like a human wrote it.

That’s really cool

If you’re wondering if this is more work than writing the actual essay, we don’t talk about that here.

Could one not just copy a chat got essay by hand?

That would actually help to learn the subject

Can’t jack off, play league, and write your homework with just two hands

This is why the first popular body mod will be more hands (also you can then designate hands for clean and “dirty” work)

As soon as we get interchangeable genitals no one will give a fuck about the gender wars anymore haha. Like come on, can’t tell me you wouldn’t try a vagina on, even the most bigoted bastards must think about it.

For sure. I just suddenly got too many thoughts on this…

Some people might take the “my hand is my gf” meme too far

There will be people with both genitals, no genitals, entirely new types of genitals (I thought of one, a penis which acts like a sleeve vagina)

If we can remove the need for excretion or release it as particulates from our feet, some might replace their butthole with a vagina

(My mind really decided to overthink this)

It’s a deterrent, not an end all be all solution to end cheating.

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