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“When you walk into a classroom, you shouldn’t be able to identify the pupils’ religion just by looking at them,”

Sir I’m sorry but a abaya doesn’t prove someone is religious. You can wear one if you so please even if you’re not Islam. It’s just a dress.

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Sure, and you an atheist could wear a cross and speak a prayer every morning. They just usually don’t and until we can telepathically determine what someone actually believes such insignia are the best way to show support for religion.

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But the abaya is not a religious symbol, it’s literally just a fucking dress like any other, it’s just what they wear typically in that part of the world. It’s like saying that pants are a christian symbol because all Europeans wear pants, and Europe is majority christian.

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Do you really think those girls wear abaya inside school not because of religion?

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I’m not an expert on religious clothing, but the Wikipedia article is pretty clear that it is strongly connected to Islam.

Your comparison is flawed, because while “christian” -> “probably wears pants” is true, the opposite is not. If I tell you I saw someone wearing pants, you would not think about their religion. They could be Hindi, Atheist, etc. But if I tell you I saw a girl in a full body dress, you’d be able to tell their religion pretty accurately.
Also, we are talking about France. If the Abaya is “what they tyipcally wear in that part of the world” then “all Europeans wear pants” is a contradiction.

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I think saying this largely denies the cultural implications of many religiously associated garments and symbols.

Most religious symbols are not just that, they’re cultural ones. People adopt them, change them, redefine them. Drawing lines between religion and culture is very difficult so attempting to stop someone dressing some way is just a restriction of freedom, regardless of religion.

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Many of these girls are brought up to believe it is wrong to not cover your body as a girl and woman. How is that freedom?

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But pretty much only devout muslim women wear them. Might as well be a hijab at this point.

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That s a good thing actually

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