Pope Francis condemned the “very strong, organised, reactionary attitude” in the US church and said Catholic doctrine allows for change over time.

Pope Francis has blasted the “backwardness” of some conservatives in the US Catholic Church, saying they have replaced faith with ideology and that a correct understanding of Catholic doctrine allows for change over time.

Francis’ comments were an acknowledgment of the divisions in the US Catholic Church, which has been split between progressives and conservatives who long found support in the doctrinaire papacies of St John Paul II and Benedict XVI, particularly on issues of abortion and same-sex marriage.

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These christians will drop their Pope before they drop their politics

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They already have. Only Roman Catholics really care what the Pope has to say. There are far more Baptist, Methodist, Evangelical, Pentecostal, and Presbyterian in the US than Catholics.

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The Pope is the head of the Roman Catholic church, it’s always been the case that only Catholics really care about what he says.

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For reasons I can’t explain, many of those denominations don’t even recognize the catholic church as being Christian.

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The problem is much more fundamental than this. I have repeatedly had to explain to adults, in many different contexts the subset/superset relationship. People do not know that you can be part of a superset that describes all things in a subset. For some reason you are able to graduate high school without every actually figuring this out

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That’s always boggled my mind.

I had many childhood baptist friends who claimed with disgust that the Catholic Church isn’t Christian.

I just can’t see the reason (there isn’t any) other than needing a conservative out group.

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I’m pretty sure the reverse is true.

There are some differences in the details of each denominations beliefs enough to mark some Christians as not real Christians. If only God could just make an announcement over the PA to clear things up…

Related: How many denominations only allow their own denomination to take Communion?

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That ship has already sailed - I was just with my conservative uncle this last weekend when he complained that the current pope is “woke”

To these people, their political ideology is their religion

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Absolutely agree. I am certain ifwe’re real and appeared in person and spouted half the stuff attributed to him in the gospel they would call him “woke” too.

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Absolutely no doubt. Kind of surprised no one has done a video series where you anonomize Jesus’s teachings, then read them back to conservative Christians and ask what they think about them

The results would be hilarious, no doubt

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29 points

The pope? They’ll drop Jesus Himself if it suits them

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They already have. Been reports of congregations who have complained the the words of Jesus are too woke and weak…

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does anyone know off the top of their head how/when Christianity became so tightly associated with the Republican party? No way it was always so extreme in US history

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My favourite bumper sticker ever said: The moral majority is neither

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Having lived though it in the 1990’s there was a marked turn in the politicizing of Christianity. There was a rise of mega churches and politicians who worked to make churches align to the Republican Party for government assistance. The money for what was welfare was shuffled to churches to take up services that once were secular.

The whole tenor of conversion changed. It just got mean and only got worse from there.

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Interesting, I’m assuming that politicians who bought into this evangelical pandering benefited from this by getting votes/support?

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They dropped the Jesus Christ of the New Testament half a century ago, and even then they pretended he was somehow as white as mayonnaise, so why not drop his earthly mouthpiece?

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Honestly, I consider that a win. A huge reason I left the catholic faith wasn’t because of the religion itself, but because of the people who claimed to follow Jesus but in practice did nothing like Jesus.

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yout are not wrong given survey data

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