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A carbon tax does a better job at incentivizing low-carbon alternatives at all scales, from trains and more efficient airplanes down to e-bikes.

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the carbon tax for one kg should be set at 110% the cost to remove one kg, 100% to completely remove it, and 10% to help remove past emissions, which statistically the emitter probably emitted pre-tax anyways

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The problem is that for fossil fuels, there is no good way to “completely remove” them. Most of the “carbon neutral” ads are plain greenwashing. But taxing it would be a good step nonetheless.

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Put these taxes into research?

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Most of the “carbon neutral” ads are plain greenwashing.

Well, there’s some issues with carbon offsetting and the promises made by the involved companies. But that’s more of a regulatory issue.

For now you can indeed offset your emissions very cheaply by paying NGOs like atmosfair (i.e. one of the NGOs that has working programs). What they do is finding issues where emissions can be avoided cheaply and then funding projects to avoid these emissions. Obviously, that wouldn’t work if everyone (or even a large enough share) of people tried to offset their emissions, but right now and at the margin is a very efficient way to decrease emissions. Hence I wouldn’t be too critical of it. Offsetting won’t safe us in the long run, but it will buy us some time to implement sustainable solutions.

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You do not have linear costs of removal. Just letting nature be has no additional costs, but in the amount necessary extreme opportunity costs.

Technical systems might have a theoretical cost, but practically any energy put into removing CO2 from the atmosphere is much better put into not using fossil fuels to produce energy for a different purpose.

Meanwhile the cost estimates for the damages incurred are in regions of 200-500 €/tonne now. So unless we also properly tax imports and other countries also do carbon taxing, it will be the death to any industry.

An increasing carbon tax is an important instrument, but it can only be part of many measures, most importantly ramping up the renewable production by all means.

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France is trying to set up something like that for electric vehicle.

They want to stop subsidizing electric car from China, but with European regulation they can’t add a tariff according to the country.

So instead they the government will subsidize only electric vehicle that emitted less than X kg of CO2 for its production.

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I think planes or to be precise their fuel aren’t even taxed normally

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We have the largest emission trading scheme in the world in the EU and it is actually working. The issue is that there are no taxes on international flights nor on kerosine. So flying is made artifically cheaper. That alone basicly would solve the problem.

The other big problem is that train tickets are not generally accepted across EU borders. That is a massive problem if one of your trains is delayed and you miss a connection due to that. You end up not being able to take an alternative train for free and do not get paid the normal fine from the train operator for long delays. There is some cooperation, so this is not the case for all international journeys, but still it is a problem.

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The big oil companies support that because it would cost a lot of political capital. That means they can delay it as long as possible

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That’s true, but a carbon tax is politically more difficult to implement

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