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The issue is that all of those apartments are owned by one person getting filthy fucking rich from rent.

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Right? And the only thing adjacent to an apartment that you can own is a condo, which you still have to pay rent for, plus buy the damn thing, and on top of it all, you get to be forced into an HOA.

Woo.

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And fuck HOAs. Fucking little tyrants designed to enforce racial segregation.

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While of course fuck hoas, they do serve a legit purpose for maintaining the building at a steady cost if managed properly.

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Then organise the renters, let them buy the house to transform it into syndicate or cooperative housing. Social apartment construction isn’t impossible.

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The issue here is, in my country at least, the people who could possibly afford to buy one aren’t wanting to live in an apartment and the people who live in apartments aren’t capable of buying one.

It’s not impossible, but it’s also very unlikely

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It’s the only option though. Bulldozing nature to build more cheap low density housing is not a viable plan.

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What a fuckin great idea. Immediate downside is who’s in charge of the bills?

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ask yourself this: if the apartment is owned by a company who is in charge of bills?

in the case witht he syndicate, the syndicate is in charge of the bills, the bills are split up among the members, this stuff all already exists btw.

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bro a significant percentage of swedes live in housing co-ops, it’s literally a normal form of housing here, you’re not clever.

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Maybe in the US. In Germany this defintly isn’t the rule. Many people own their own flats and a lot of people own 2-4 flats to rent them out as an extra income.

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No, maybe you are in a more wealthy environment. It is not possible that everyone has multiple flats to rent out. In fact, Germany has one of the lowest ownership rates.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_home_ownership_rate

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Where did I say “everyone”?

But it is defintly not a given that an apartment has to be the tool of a slum lord, the way they portrayed it to discredit the idea that appatments are a more sustainable way of living…

Apartments can be owned by the people who live in it and this is quite common in many countries.

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Not necessarily i don’t know about the situation all arouns the world but in atleast the herman speaking countries we have the concept to buy flats like one would buy a house and own it. So not all of it is owned by the same person. You still have the house maintainer which looks after the infrastructure but afaik you don’t pay them rent.

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Yeah I’d say it’s pretty normal all over Europe, it might just be a common case of Americans being weird.

The type of arrangement I’m used to, property of the building is shared among the owners of the flats, who vote on how to run it in an assembly. They also appoint (and pay for) the maintainer you spoke of, but their role is more centered on overseeing/administering the building, handling paperwork, hiring contractors and such. Also, even for very large flats you end up paying a couple hundred euros a year for their services, so it hardly compares to rent.

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We have em in the US too. They’re called HOA’s. Most get a bad wrap for being ran by shitty people/busybodies with nothing to do but fine other homeowners. All condos have em here.

The problem, in the US, with the picture is that a condo would cost you pretty much the same as a house with a yard so why opt for the condo at all. If they were cheaper I would own one to live in now VS just trying to save to buy a house since they’re all expensive.

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Canadian condos are like that, generally individually owned and there’s a condo board made up of residents that deals with management of the building. I don’t know of many buildings that are mostly owned by corporations in Toronto.

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