Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky has said the death of Yevgeny Prigozhin – the Russian mercenary leader whose plane crashed weeks after he led a mutiny against Moscow’s military leadership – shows what happens when people make deals with Russian leader Vladimir Putin.

As Ukraine’s counteroffensive moves into a fourth month, with only modest gains to show so far, Zelensky told CNN’s Fareed Zakaria he rejected suggestions it was time to negotiate peace with the Kremlin.

“When you want to have a compromise or a dialogue with somebody, you cannot do it with a liar,” Volodymyr Zelensky said.

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Russia can’t be accepted back into the international community until Putin is in a jail cell or in the ground.

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While I’d like to believe this, if Putin comes to some peaceful agreement with Ukraine, the international community will just wait until people are distracted by the next big news story and then let Putin back in.

I’d rather be cynical and happily surprised than optimistic and disappointed.

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Actually likely not, he’s been building international relations similarly to the Russian criminal code of behavior, and while it’s sad that even Americans and Europeans would consider this kinda acceptable, now he’s shown himself to be weak and humiliated. In other words, of the lower caste, and simply said, a pidor.

So no, he won’t be let back in. But some other (in appearances mostly, not in essence) government in Russia may.

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simply said, a pidor.

isn’t that some kind of Turkish pizza?

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Of course. They’re white.

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“my genociders are good, your genociders are bad”. Whataboutism at its best. Lovely.

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I mean, by that logic we might as well dump everyone who’s started a major land war recently into the ground.

Iraq, Ukraine, Afghanistan… ah fuck, eh?

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Sure let’s do it

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Actually tho

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US is still there though, being at the source of the death of 4.5 Millions humans since 2003! (washington post article).

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What about, what about, what about

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And? Should we not point hypocricy and double standards because it hurts your feelings?

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Sorry to see you downvoted, but in ukraine topics you can’t have any other opinion then West=Good or you are a Putin apologist. We are back at cold war red scare disscusion levels, no nuace is allowed.

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Paywalled article, meh doesn’t count.

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Most of those actual deaths were Muslims killing Muslims. Deaths caused by United States soldiers are comparatively low.

For example, the Iraqi body count website tracks 210,000 civilians killed between 2003 and 2020.

According to your article, it cites US-led wars in countries such as Pakistan, Libya, Yemen and Syria. However, the United States did not launch a war in any of those countries and certainly did not fight a war in Pakistan which is a US ally.

The Washington Post article as well as research from Brown University has Lucy affiliated anyone who has died outside of the expected peacetime death rate in any country in Africa in the Middle East to be attributable to the United States which is, frankly completely unfair. ISIL aka the Islamic State for instance killed tens of thousands of people, yet those deaths are attributed to the United States. Which is completely crazy!

While I was completely against the 2003 Iraq war, and even March and protest against it, the truth of the matter is that Saddam was a complete bastard, the bath is party were fascist, and destroying them created enormous power vacuum which resulted in chaos death and destruction. However, this was probably an inevitability Saddam wasn’t going to last forever and had no system of governance to transfer leadership to someone else. The Middle East has been well known for centuries as a chaotic and violent region of the world and Sunni and Shiite Muslims have been at war with each other since time immemorial.

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Maybe take a good look at that last paragraph you wrote and think about why you blame the conflicts in the middle east on a reductive basis of “they are savages” rather than looking at the actual historical context of what has caused instability in the region.

Seriously, this entire comment is just a racist write-off of the middle east that is completely devoid of any true consideration of history. Ignorance personified.

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Who was it that was selling Saddam sarin gas and anthrax again?

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