Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky has said the death of Yevgeny Prigozhin – the Russian mercenary leader whose plane crashed weeks after he led a mutiny against Moscow’s military leadership – shows what happens when people make deals with Russian leader Vladimir Putin.

As Ukraine’s counteroffensive moves into a fourth month, with only modest gains to show so far, Zelensky told CNN’s Fareed Zakaria he rejected suggestions it was time to negotiate peace with the Kremlin.

“When you want to have a compromise or a dialogue with somebody, you cannot do it with a liar,” Volodymyr Zelensky said.

Literally yes. If they capitulate it’s only a matter of time before Putin tries again, either by fomenting a revolution and installing another pro-Russia dictator, or restarting the war. This is a fight for the very survival of Ukraine.

Survival of human beings 👎

Survival of the nation 👍

Putin is trying to kill both. Those human beings deserve to live and they deserve a country too – the country they are dying to defend.

I think them conscripts would rather do something other dying for their country. I know I would.

Have you ever read Catch-22? Yossarian likes to go on about how everybody is trying to kill him. If you’re a Ukrainian soldier it’s not just Putin who’s out to kill you. It’s your own government too, and apparently the average western lib on this very internet forum.

If you believe this why are you not advocating for the Russian conscripts who are forced to fight a madman’s war of aggression and territorial expansion? Like sympathizing for the Ukrainian troops forced to fight is fine but I think you fail to realize the alternative for them is to die at the hands of the Russian military.

Only one side here is engaged in a purely optional war of territorial expansion. And it isn’t “the west” or Ukraine.

Oh I do consider the Russian soldiers victims that should be helped to escape their situation.

madman

No need to figure out how or why this war broke out, Putin is simply mad. It follows from that also that you can’t reason with the guy. Do you think this is a children’s cartoon?

alternative for them is to die at the hands of the Russian military

You gotta explain this. Last time I checked, the civilians casualties in this war weren’t that high, and civilians can and do usually stay clear of the front lines. They might even leave the country if the men were allowed to. So if they weren’t soldiers, they almost certainly wouldn’t die at the hands of the Russian military.

The war broke out because Putin covets Ukraine and always has. He is a kleptocrat and dictator with no interest in his own people’s happiness or their rights; he seeks personal enrichment and power and that is his goal here as well. I think “madman” is a perfectly acceptable way to describe him, and we haven’t even begun to discuss his army’s conduct in the war.

Russia is targeting Ukrainian civilians specifically. It is even targeting children.

Given this, why do you believe if the Ukrainians lay down their arms Russia wouldn’t continue doing exactly what it has been doing — trying to kill their civilian population and deport their children?

There’s absolutely no evidence Russia would let anyone leave and quite a lot of evidence they would continue committing war crimes against them.

Edit: and this article literally just got published today: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/10/world/europe/russian-ukraine-torture.html

Ukrainians would disagree; they’re the ones to want to fight and if their government tried to give up, they’d throw them out and find someone willing to keep going

If they all want to fight so bad, why are the men not allowed to leave the country? Why has Zelensky recently announced a crackdown on draft dodging? Why are there so many videos of men getting dragged kicking and screaming into vans by military ~~recruiters~~ kidnappers?

Why is Putin waging a war of territorial ambition and spending innocent Russian blood to do it?

Your perspective here is backwards. One side could end this war immediately by calling back their armies and forfeiting their territorial ambitions. And it is not Ukraine.

Is this a serious question? The existence of exceptions doesn’t negate the trend. The crackdown on draft dodging is part of Zelenskyy’s anti corruption measures to bring Ukraine in line with EU and NATO standards. Do you think about your questions at all before asking them?

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