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Yes there are other variable types. Why exactly does it matter whether it’s a float or int or otherwise? We can say it’s a string if you want. What’s weird or random about using a float? I use floats all the time in the games i develop to keep track of values with minute variance. There’s really no reason i can see for you to object, since you didn’t provide one. Seems all you wanted to do was prove you know something.
Yes, you have changed it from a normal float to a null reference. There is no reason to do that. You just seem to want to avoid using the number zero.
Yeah, zero damage means no damage. Do you think you’re the first person to realise that?
Of course it doesn’t make sense to be offended by something that doesn’t exist. It’s irrational. And emotions are irrational. Like i said, you could be offended because you think harm is done, but no harm has actually been done. Offence doesn’t come out of nowhere, and even so called professional victims are still offended by something, whether that something actually caused harm or not. It is an action with a damage value of zero - no damage. Yet in their heads they see damage and react as if it were some higher value.
I’m getting tired of this. We’re going in circles. I don’t know why i have to explain the concept of someone just… being wrong about something being offensive.
Yes there are other variable types. Why exactly does it matter whether it’s a float or int or otherwise? We can say it’s a string if you want. What’s weird or random about using a float?
Well you said “0” harm so I assumed you were using a numeric data type, so String is out. Just felt odd to pick a random numeric data type instead of saying “the variable” is all. I would say that by you calling out “float” as a data type when it has no relevance on the topic sounds like you trying to prove you know something. Works both ways.
Yes, you have changed it from a normal float to a null reference. There is no reason to do that. You just seem to want to avoid using the number zero.
Wrong. If you are in a strongly typed language, which by you saying it’s games and using the term String I’m assuming it’s C# or Java, my guess would be C#, then it doesn’t change it. A variable declared as a float is still a float even if it is null. A float will null value is still a “normal float”, I don’t even know what an “abnormal float” would even be? A corrupt address? The data type doesn’t change. You can’t declare a float, set it to null and then use it like it has no data type, it is still of float data type. I dunno what you’re talking about man. You’re mixing the concepts of data types and value types. Having a float with a 0 value vs a float that is null are VERY VERY different. You thinking the only difference is me trying to avoid using 0 shows a gross misunderstanding of data architecture within software development.
Yeah, zero damage means no damage. Do you think you’re the first person to realise that?
No, but I don’t think you’ve realized it yet. You said there would be damage, but it would be 0. That means there is no damage. How is one thing linked to another thing that doesn’t exist? You’re now talking about perceived damages, not actual damages, which is very different. I classified my original statement as “damages” not “perceived damages” and you replied the exact same way. This concept of “there is 0 damage but someone may think there is”, is nothing but trying to change the narrative of what you said.
Listen I don’t want to have to keep explaining this, but you have muddied the waters constantly, shifting between “there being damage” and there only being “perceived” damage. Those are not the same thing, you said it is linked to damage. If it is linked to damage there must be damage that exists for it to link to. If there is no damage, then the offense is not linked to anything and my very original statement is right, they are separate.
Like i said, you could be offended because you think harm is done, but no harm has actually been done.
You keep contradicting yourself. If an offense is linked to harm, like you said, there has to be harm it is linked to. You are saying offense can exist without harm which was exactly what I said to start with and you called me wrong.
I’m getting tired of this. We’re going in circles. I don’t know why i have to explain the concept of someone just… being wrong about something being offensive.
And I don’t know why someone disagreed with me only to slowly back-peddle into agreeing with me. I originally said offense and damage are independent. You said they weren’t, now you’re saying they can be. That there can be offense without damage, without any damage, the damage that it is linked to. What you’re basically saying is like saying “To enter this building you must pay. You cannot enter without paying. But you can just pay $0 because you still paid, it’s just 0.” That’s not how logic works. You can’t pay someone $0, and you can’t experience harm/damage that doesn’t exist and you can’t tie offenses to harm/damage that doesn’t exist.
If you wanna play the “perceived harm” and “perceived offense” game. Sure anyone can perceive anything, but that was not what I said, and that was not how you responded when you called me wrong.
Offense and damage are not separate. People can just be wrong about how damaging something is. But they are still offended by something, because you can’t be offended by nothing. And harm cannot affect you, imagined or otherwise, if you have not perceived the harming action - as I have said before, all harm is perceived harm. And foe you to be offended, there must exist something for you to be offended by, whether or not you’re wrong about how much damage it has dealt.
Take the elbows example. Really, it has a damage of 0. But to someone who is a complete snob, they see it differently, with some other damage value. So they are offended not by something that doesn’t exist, but instead by their misperception of something that does exist.
That is it. There is no reason for us to continue. I am sick of this.
Offense and damage are not separate.
Yes they are, if there is no damage there is nothing for it to be tied to. How do you have damage tied to an offense when there is no damage. Again, you’re trying to pay someone $0, that is not a thing.
as I have said before, all harm is perceived harm
This is %100 wrong. Perceived harm is something like I thought you stole from me but you didn’t. Real harm is you stole money from someone and you now have that money. One is real harm that did actual damage, the other is a perception. They are very different, that’s why you can’t go to jail just because someone perceives you stole something.
And foe you to be offended, there must exist something for you to be offended by, whether or not you’re wrong about how much damage it has dealt.
If someone is offended by me flying a sports team flag they don’t like, there is no actual harm. No one is hurt, and there is no measurable damage. You can be upset without there being damage. There isn’t damage every time you get upset about something. If I left my phone in the other room and I have to go get it, is there damage? No. I could be slightly upset I forgot it, but I’m not damaged in any way.
Take the elbows example. Really, it has a damage of 0.
So, you agree with me. That’s the end of the debate. There was an offense with no damage. Case closed.
But to someone who is a complete snob, they see it differently, with some other damage value.
Damage is not a value like that though. You dot just experience 5 damage like a video game. Damage needs to be measurable. If I’m at home with my mom say, and she gets upset I put my elbows on the table, where is the damage. What harm was caused that there is actual, legit damage. Not someone might feel bad, what is the actual damage?
So they are offended not by something that doesn’t exist, but instead by their misperception of something that does exist.
Jesus you are bending over backwards to avoid admitting you were wrong. So you went from every offense causes damage to now the perception of an offense may lead to the perception of damage that doesn’t exist. Jesus dude, just say it doesn’t always cause damage, it’s a much easier way to say what you’re saying without dancing around admitting you’re wrong.
That is it. There is no reason for us to continue. I am sick of this.
As soon as you started changing the narrative and saying BS like “all harm is perceived harm” and “damage can be perceived damage that doesn’t exist”. You said offenses always cause damage because you can’t have cause and effect without the effect. They don’t. Full stop. I’ve explained in detail how you’re wrong and even entertained all your narrative shifts.
That is it.