Comment by Larvitar@kbin.social on Nearly half of US honeybee colonies died last year. Struggling beekeepers stabilize population

Don’t have kids…

It’s understandable that that’s a sensitive issue for you, but the advice honestly is pretty accurate

I personally disagree with the sentiment that going child-free is the solution to ecological catastrophe. Any individual’s decision to have children, or not, hardly compares to the systemic issues within agriculture and natural resource management which are causing it.

I thought beehaw was supposed to be the “nice” instance. You and others have done a wonderful job proving that otherwise today.

Well, the original comment in this thread which upset you came from your own instance. From where I’m sitting, that comment has been pretty much the only not-really-nice interaction you’ve had all day on here. Don’t really see where this strawman is coming from.

It is only “nice” if you agree with the ideology of the owners completely, otherwise you are banned.

If your country doesn’t make it too hard, don’t forget adoption may be a solution for both.

Ah, so you support genocide.

…what? this is such an absurd non-sequitur. how do you arrive at this from “don’t have kids”. what is with kbin posters and takes like this man

This is “don’t have kids” taken to its logical conclusion. Nothing absurd about this.

Pains me that more people are unable to follow the chain of thoughts and reach this conclusion.

Let me entertain a hypothetical solution. Would you suggest to Palestinians to “not have kids” to solve the ethnic conflict in that area?

what is with kbin posters and takes like this man

If anything, this is a non-sequitur.

But maybe there is a grain of truth in there. People who were horrified that the lemmy dev and main mod of lemmy.ml was a proponent of hard left stayed away of lemmy (both SW and instances) and went to kbin instead. And since “don’t have kids” is mostly popular on the more extreme left… you get self-selected opinions.

(honestly, I had no clue that I was not beehaw, just saw a braindead post and replied)

Telling one person that they can help out by not having kids is rather different from, as the dictionary says

the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group

Even suggesting to a whole group of people not to have kids is not the same as killing them.

So no, it’s not a logical conclusion. It’s illogical rhetoric. But you do you, I guess.

Telling one person that they can help out by not having kids is rather different from, as the dictionary says

Your definition seems to be quite limited. Many acknowledged genocides would not be treated as such. According to Wikipedia, the UN Genocide Convention is much broader:

Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people[a] in whole or in part. In 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five “acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group.” These five acts were: killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group. Victims are targeted because of their real or perceived membership of a group, not randomly.[1][2]

Spreading an ideology according to which one shouldn’t have kids, thus preventing births, would fall into this definition.

Even suggesting to a whole group of people not to have kids is not the same as killing them.

You are correct, it is not the same as killing them, but no one was arguing that. Again, limiting genocide to the deliberate killing of individuals would be quite a lenient definition, and various laws that targeted various ethnic minorities would not be considered genocides, despite them being considered as ones and having the same exact effect. Consider forced sterilization. You don’t have to forcibly kill anyone, yet probably everyone here would agree that it is a genocide.

You appear to be unable or unwilling to distinguish between “preventing births” and “voluntarily choosing not to have children.”

Not sure why you’re quite so interested in escalating the rhetoric here (forced sterilization? in a thread that started with individual action to save honeybees? really?) but in view of the first rule of Beehaw (“Be(e) nice”) I’m not interested in joining you.

Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people[a] in whole or in part. In 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five “acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group.” These five acts were: killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group. Victims are targeted because of their real or perceived membership of a group, not randomly.[1][2]

Spreading an ideology according to which one shouldn’t have kids, thus preventing births, would fall into this definition.

Even with this extended definition, your argument fails the most important criteria for genocide wtih the UN definition which is:

intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group.

And it also fails to mention that the argument being made is voluntary and so it wouldn’t fall under the act of :

preventing births

It’s not genocide if you just decide not to have kids

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