I’ve only lived in Germany for a year and a half so if some more experienced Germans could tell me what I’m missing and explain why things aren’t so bad that would be nice, but it seems like this country is shifting in a negative direction politically from this polling data and it scares me.

If AfD ends up being the second biggest party in the Bundestag next federal election I’ll be quite upset but that’s how it goes I guess.

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Confident doomsaying is always easy and popular on politics threads, and I just don’t buy it here. Before the 2022 midterms, commentators were just as confident that the economy (and inflation!) would hand the GOP a huge victory in Congress. Didn’t happen.

Biden’s done exactly what he said he would, which is to focus on and fight for laws and measures that have a chance of passing the US Congress. Hard to argue with his strategy.

On the economy:

  • Consumer prices are up ~15%, not 30 and especially not 50… The twelve month change as of January 2023 was 6.4%.
  • The US has 3 million more jobs than before the pandemic, and 1.7 job openings per unemployed job seeker.

Legislative record:

  • A trillion dollar infrastructure deal with bipartisan support
  • A federal gun control bill with bipartisan support
  • A bill that finally recognizes same-sex and interracial marriage at the federal level. Passed the Senate with 12 Republican “yes” votes.
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Confident doomsaying is always easy and popular on politics threads, and I just don’t buy it here. Before the 2022 midterms, commentators were just as confident that the economy (and inflation!) would hand the GOP a huge victory in Congress. Didn’t happen.

Every president in recent memory that had control of Congress lost it at the midterms. It happened Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump, and Biden. That Republicans didn’t win Georgia was due to one thing: the promise of $2000 in COVID aid, of which only $1400 actually materialized, and that is Biden (and really, all the neoconservatives’) MO. Make the promises and find a way to finagle your way out of it once you’re elected.

The US has 3 million more jobs than before the pandemic, and 1.7 job openings per unemployed job seeker.

Yeah. Most people are working 2-3 of them to afford to live. And, as I’m sure you’re aware, consumer prices aren’t the only piece of this puzzle.

A trillion dollar infrastructure deal with bipartisan support

A half-measure at best, and you know it, because as with everything they do, we only have bipartisan support if the wealthy get the lion’s share of the money. That’s how it was with Obamacare and COVID relief. It’s what they do.

A federal gun control bill with bipartisan support

It seems like you’re deliberately misrepresenting things here. The so-called gun control bill’s biggest provision was to make suggestions to the states that they’re in no way bound to implement. What’s even worse is Biden could issue an executive order to cancel federal contracts for any company that sells AR-15’s to the public, and he wouldn’t need Congress to pull it off. Neither major party gives a crap about gun violence.

A bill that finally recognizes same-sex and interracial marriage at the federal level. Passed the Senate with 12 Republican “yes” votes.

That totally matters in a country where marriage policies exist mostly at the state level, and the Supreme Court has already admitted they’re gunning for gay marriage next.


Now, I get it. No one wants to feel like they actually voted for the conservative outcomes that result whenever one of the two major parties is elected, but you did, and that’s not a matter of opinion. It’s a matter of historical record.

My point is simple. People will remember when they’re working full-time and still can’t afford to live, and that is the reality of Joe Biden’s presidency. They’re not going to care that Trump or DeSantis are pieces of shit.

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Now, I get it. No one wants to feel like they actually voted for the conservative outcomes

This is projection. Can you conceive of someone with slightly different political values than yourself?

A half-measure at best, and you know it, because as with everything they do, we only have bipartisan support if the wealthy get the lion’s share of the money. That’s how it was with Obamacare and COVID relief. It’s what they do.

This is how you debate? “I’m right because politician bad”? Cite a source or two.

That totally matters in a country where marriage policies exist mostly at the state level

lol, with the small exceptions of my own tax bill and federal benefits.

and the Supreme Court has already admitted they’re gunning for gay marriage next.

Right…in which case federal recognition becomes critically important.

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To be fair, the Democrats would qualify as a right-wing party in most of Europe.

But that’s due to the general political landscape in the US, which is between far right and right extremists.

Even the most right-wing party here in Austria, the FPÖ, which is considered by many as a only-thinly-veiled Nazi party doesn’t want to discontinue public healthcare or gun control.

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Slightly off-topic, but watch the interview of President Obama by Hasan Minhaj :)

Obama describes the power of the presidency like the Captain of a large ocean liner or aircraft carrier, who can really f things up by running into an iceberg, but at most set a good course for the future by correcting it by a few degrees. (very paraphrased)

Hasan had a different analogy that it’s like parenting: You can f up a kid’s future majorly as a parent, but no amount of parenting will make your kid LeBron James.

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So things can always get significantly worse but never meaningfully improve? What a great system we have here! /s ~Nai

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No one wants to feel like they actually voted for the conservative outcomes that result whenever one of the two major parties is elected, but you did, and that’s not a matter of opinion. It’s a matter of historical record.

This is the only part of your comment that I take issue with. There was ample opportunity to vote for an actual progressive in the 2020 presidential primary election. We got Biden because that’s who people voted for. They could have voted for Sanders or Warren, and they chose not to. That’s a voters problem, not a party problem.

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Personally, I’m reticent to blame the voters in a country where 40,000,000 of them can’t afford to miss a day of work.

And I wouldn’t call Warren a progressive except in the performative sense.

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