The Moral Case for No Longer Engaging With Elon Musk’s X::The former Twitter is incentivizing violent content, which will only become worse to stand out to users.

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I dunno’, kinda’ sounds similar to, “racism would be over if you’d just shut up about it.”

X and Elon don’t magically disappear because you choose to ignore them.

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And it would be similar to that if racism was a business that survived based on engagement.

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I mean… Isn’t it? Racism is very self-perpetuating. Especially when it’s allowed over other forms of distasteful speech.

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I don’t think so. Racism being self perpetuating means it will exist even if we stop talking about it and will probably just be worse because even well meaning folk can be racist if they’re not aware of it.

X on the other hand stops existing if we stop sending it traffic and just let it die.

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If you think it isn’t, you clearly haven’t been paying attention to all of racism in general and hypercapitalist neofascism in particular.

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If everyone shuts up about racism, then racism will be worse. If everyone stopped talking about twitter, then twitter will die. It’s not the same thing at all. Not even close.

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You are mixing “talking about Twitter” with “being on Twitter”. If nobody on Lemmy or Mastodon said a single word about Twitter ever again… it would still outnumber them by hundreds of millions users. I don’t like it, but that’s still how it is. But consequently, ragging on it is not going to recruit people who left for the Fediverse.

But if you mean making everyone on Twitter to shut up in general, well, easier said than done.

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The difference is that racists are usually racist due to a moral stance, not because it makes them money; ignoring them means we’ll hear about it less but it won’t actually go away. Clickbait/ragebait, on the other hand, isn’t a moral viewpoint - it’s meant to bring a person money via exposure/engagement, so less engagement leads to less money which leads to less bait because it’s no longer working.

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I dunno’, you’d find plenty of economic justification if you go back and read why the confederacy got started. Or why Germany went a little crazy in early 1900’s…

While it is correct to logically dismiss the actual arguments of rage bait, it is purely foolish to pretend that it has no tangible effects worth counteracting all the same.

To say these things aren’t even worth talking about in general is akin stepping aside for bad actors to take over.

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It’s not “x” it’s called Twitter.
This is a good case for deadnaming.

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Corporate deadnaming is the only good deadnaming.

Facebook also only deserves to be called Meta as a reminder that they rebranded into a failed trend and lost billions because of it.

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That’ll show’em lol.

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I dunno. Racism isn’t entirely manifested by one man. He’s just one more bucket of piss in a sea of piss. Fuck him. We can at any time choose to ignore him. Choose to ignore his shit app. He doesn’t matter to any equation, he’s just an annoying rich person struggling with their addiction to child pornography. Wups did I say the silent part out loud. Shit.

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What you say is completely correct for engaging with his platform.

Not about not talking about the rise of bigoted morons in general. That is sticking your head in the sand.

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Well kinda, except for these articles that pop now and then in my timeline, I haven’t heard of XformerlyTwitter for a while.

It was fun for a few weeks, joking about what bulls**t idea Musk had during the weekend with colleagues, but after a while the joke was a bit repetitive.

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It’s not news because he joked about it. It’s news because he’s flippantly doing it with production.

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While some of the same words appear in these two things, they are nothing alike.

The debate over whether recognizing racism can help us eliminate it has nothing to do with an unhinged billionaire who uses shock tactics to generate PR, and the bottom-feeding publications who give it to him by stoking our disgust.

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No, it’s very much similar. You’re saying don’t even talk about it, when the article is about how it is a corrupted service. A service that at least used to have global reach. If a service is a globally used resource, it’s kinda’ institutionalized.

Since when did ignoring institutionalized injustice ever fix it? Never. It never gets fixed in the dark.

I understand the concept of not feeding trolls, but do not misjudge and accidentally ask people to ignore villains.

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It’s a corrupted service, therefore it’s a service, therefore it’s an institution, therefore it’s institutionalized injustice….

Feeling a little loose after all that stretching? I guess the policies of every website company in the world now constitute institutionalized injustice. I’ll use that phrase next time I’m appealing the Facebook modbot.

I wouldn’t say we should never talk about Twitter and it’s impact on our world. I will say it is a media circus which is paraded about far, far too often to its corrupt owners benefit. And it needs to have less attention than it is getting like a fire needs less air.

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“racism would be over if tou’d just shut up about it.”

Well, that’s way more true than it is false. The way the left hyped up race as the single most important and defining feature of people wasn’t exactly helpful. The idea of racial realism should be deconstructed, not actively supported. I have literally never seen as much racism in my life as what the left has been doing in the last 10-15 years.

And as for Elon, ignoring him would go a long way as well. The only reason why he is relevant, is because news media hypes up everything he says, no matter how false or irrelevant it is. Simply sticking to the important news, instead of clickbait and hype, would go a long way to quiet things down.

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What the hell are you talking about? Acknowledging that black people and other minorities have had a hard time in the past that leads to present continued struggle IS NOT racism… It’s acknowledging reality.

What IS racist is saying the behavior is innate to the race, not that minorities have consequently received the short end of the economic stick.

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Acknowledging that black people and other minorities have had a hard time in the past that leads to present continued struggle IS NOT racism…

That’s exactly what racism is. You ignore what actually happening to the individual and treat them all the same because of their skin color. White savior complex in action.

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