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The thing is you also have to admit the power imbalance at play here.

Both sides suck, but one side has the power to stop making the situation worse and stop abusing millions as they colonise their land.

This can never end or start to heal until the fucked up treatment of Palestinians stops. All they are doing is breeding tomorrow’s fighters.

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I think an apt comparison is Russia and Ukraine right now. I fully support Ukraine in this war, and part of that is not just because they’re the underdog who got unjustifiably invaded, but because they take care to avoid targetting innocent civilians. For example, when they strike Sevastopol, they strike military facilities, never residential areas. Whereas Russia intentionally terrorizes the Ukrainian people, kidnaps Ukrainian children, targets residential areas, and commits so frickin many war crimes.

If the attack by Hamas were against legitimate military targets, I don’t think there would be many people out here questioning it. But they didn’t. They are a fundamentalist religious group that wishes to commit genocide, and they intentionally targeted and mass-murdered civilians. Beyond that, by attacking a music festival, they targeted people who were statistically more likely to be sympathetic to their cause. Clearly their goal is not simply self defense, but genocide.

Also a good comparison is the PLO in West Bank, as they aren’t Hamas and had no hand in this attack. In fact, they and Hamas hate each other. And as far as I’m aware, PLO just wants the two-state solution and haven’t officially sanctioned terrorist attacks in ages. Unfortunately, Hamas has likely managed to discredit the PLO cause, despite them not having any guilt in this.

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And as far as I’m aware, PLO just wants the two-state solution and haven’t officially sanctioned terrorist attacks in ages.

That’s… complicated. There is a fund that the PA pays the PLO to administer called the Palestinian Authority Martyrs Fund. It pays out stipends to the family of Palestinians who have been killed, imprisoned, or hurt while attacking Israel. This has been a point of contention for a long time, but it’s apparently very popular among Palestinians so politicians are loath to touch it.

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how are they similar atrocities?

did hamas lock 2.5 million people in the worlds most dense open air prison?

did hamas systematically crushed their buildings and not let concrete inside?

did hamas shoot little kids just for throwing rocks?

did hamas systematically murdered press, medics on the field?

did hamas control israelis food intake?

did hamas very deliberately snipe the knees of people peacefully protesting?

did hamas cut electricity, water, food?

did hamas bombed places that palestinian prisoners stayed?

did hamas tell people to leave the city and bomb the only way out?

what did hamas do? the only thing left to do when you do all of those things to a people.

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Yes both sides are targeting innocent civilians, and this is not cool.

But only one side is colonising a people’s land, imprisoning them in ghettos, and destroying their future.

Hence why criticism of Israel should always be greater

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Hamas knows this. And they knew that Israel would respond with disproportionate force. They only care about destroying Israel and the Jews, per their charter, and they aren’t afraid to sacrifice as many Palestinian lives as it takes.

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Ok then let’s send better weapons to Hamas. I am sure they will be happy to precise target and hit all military installations. It’s kind of sad to see privileged people pointing out how someone else is supposed to fight the boot on their throat.

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Yup. The meme and simple “everyone is bad” explanation doesn’t touch on the fact that this is an asymmetrical war.

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