Comment by VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf on The NYC subway banned dogs on trains unless they fit into a small bag, so this guy trained his Pitbull to sit in a small bag.

No they aren’t. They’re only a problem when not raised right. They DO need a firmer hand in training like literally every strong breed, which not all owners realise and take into account, but neglecting that isn’t their fault, it’s on the bad owners.

You pointed out the solution: nobody should be allowed to keeep a dog unless they can prove they know how to correctly train and keep a dog. If the owners are the problem, the owners should be held accountable.

I completely agree. Can we stop with the rampant defamation of usually sweet dogs, then?

Well, as long as we cannot be sure whether a dog owner has done their duty and properly trained the dog, we can never be sure whether a stranger’s dog is well trained or a purpously-trained killing machine. Or anything in between.

By that logic, we should ban cars, motorcycles, boats, aeroplanes, horses and almost all other dogs

Good luck with that…

Come to think about that: to operate a car, motorcycle, boat or aeroplane you need to get a license, proving that you know what you are doing. Depending on vehicle and jurisdiction, you might even need to re-take tests frequently. All of these vehicles (in most jurisdictions) require frequent inspections and if they fail these inspections, you are no longer allowed to operate them.

Also, there are very stringent laws on how you are allowed to operate these vehicles, with really harsh fines for violations of these laws.

Looks like your stance on dog ownership is much more hardcore than mine, but I could get behind that.

Getting a license in america is not hard or stringent at all lmao.

You have to license dogs too. In both cases, a license does not mean safety.

Were you personally attacked by a pit bull, or was someone who’s close to you attacked? Your stance comes across as really paranoid, like you have a reason to fear dogs.

I was attacked multiple times by dogs and I don’t care what race they are. All dogs in public should be on a leash and muzzled.

And every time I was attacked I was just walking down the road and some random dog without leash or muzzle just attacked and bit me. And every time the owner was like “The dog has never done anything like that”. That totally makes everything better. I always felt so honored that I was the first one that dog hurt. I still got scars on my shoulder from that one time and that was almost 20 years ago.

I don’t think breed-based laws are a good idea, because they make it look like every other breed is not dangerous.

I think, all dogs should be leashed and muzzled in public and all owners should have to get a license that includes a test and yearly inspections first.

That’s extremely unfortunate. Of the many many dogs I’ve come across, big & small, including a few strays that I was unwise to approach so casually, I’ve never been bitten or attacked. Perhaps I was merely fortunate. Knowing what you’ve gone through, your stance is understandable, although I don’t entirely agree with it. Yes, all dogs in public should be leashed, although I find it unnecessary to put a muzzle on all but the largest dogs who have the actual strength to cause serious harm. I definitely don’t agree with any sort of licensing or routine inspection for dog owners, but I get why you would think this is necessary… perhaps its best if we simply agree to disagree.

Man, I have to wonder, what are your thoughts on gun control? I mean the yearly dog inspector is great but like, what about social services? You think there is room in the budget to provide care for the less fortunate?

https://www.tmz.com/2021/09/10/cesar-milan-queen-latifah-pit-bull-dog-junior-coverup-lawsuit/

So then when one of the premier dog trainers in the USA runs into significant issues with their pit bull… is it the dog or the owner?

It’s Cesar Milan being a fraud who doesn’t practice what he preaches.

Ah yes… the person with more than 25 years of experience must be wrong! Ya’ll are a trip.

Did you even read the article? He left a poorly socialised dog untethered and unattended.

That would stil be extremely irresponsible dog ownership if he had been the undisputed king of dog trainers for 800 years.

Thus why the source should be questioned… it’s TMZ, all trashy celebrity gossip. I doubt this incident even happened.

There are doctors with 25 years of experience that still fuck up constantly and get away with it.

Argument from authority is a fallacy for a reason.

The discussion is literally that there are bad owners and those owners are solely responsible for the pit bulls reputation. I’m proving that wrong by showing an “expert” in the field… If an expert in the field cannot do it… Then why would a lay person be able to?

This isn’t argument from authority. You just like screaming random shit to shut down discussions because you don’t have any better evidence against the argument.

You’re citing a tabloid, not exactly a reliable source…

So you believe that cesar milan didn’t have a pit bull and it didn’t bite someone and didn’t kill another dog?

You can literally pull up the court records if you want. Other sources can cover it perfectly fine.

https://www.citywatchla.com/animal-watch/22536-lawsuit-cesar-millan-s-pit-bull-kills-queen-latifah-s-dog-in-training-and-mauls-girl

https://www.nydailynews.com/2021/09/10/cesar-millans-pit-bull-killed-queen-latifahs-dog-attacked-star-gymnast-lawsuit-claims/

https://www.businessinsider.com/cesar-millan-covering-up-dogs-attack-on-queen-latifahs-dog-2021-9

What a weird hill to die on.

Since it was settled out of court there is zero truth to any of it. Not saying it didn’t happen, but there is no proof that it happened either.

There’s plenty of proof. Documents were submitted to court. Just because there was a settlement doesn’t mean it didn’t happen

I didn’t believe it at first, but it seems my doubt was misplaced.

You would think that a supposed professional dog trainer, who allegedly was aware that his dog was aggressive and had a history of biting other dogs, wouldn’t just let such a dog wander around unattended. I guess he was too proud to admit he couldn’t correct this dog’s behavior.

How does that say anything about pit bulls in general? Someone else brought up the fact that labs and German shepherds bite just as much as pit bulls. Where’s the scaremongering about labs? Oh wait, they’re the choice breed for service dogs? Maybe it’s not the breed then.

I’m directly refuting the point that Pit Bulls are not bad, just their owners are. I don’t give a shit about German Shepherds because there’s isn’t a disproportionate amount of them causing harm to humans.

Numbers say otherwise. Rottweilers and German Shepherds are after Pit Bulls.

Cesar Milan is considered a hack by almost every reputable dog trainer, and his methods conflict with every modern study I have seen on how to effectively train a dog.

Source? Citation? Anything?

I mean, you can Google it and find countless sources, if you really care they are readily available within seconds.

The Tl;dr is that his methods are based in dominance theory. Dominance theory has been widely debunked and the methods that arose from it are widely considered to exacerbate fear and aggression related issues in dogs. Caesar’s celebrity status has contributed to its persistence in the popular imagination.

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