lemm.ee

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11 months ago

So this is righteousness? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAFDI63yvNQ

https://imgur.io/jNUaFU2

You think the terrorist organization that took 200+ hostages of all nationalities, would hesitate to kill you. I mean, maybe you could suck up to them hard enough, I don’t doubt that. Do you see Israel running around with a plan to rape, burn, and behead Palestinians? Go to Gaza is you love Hamas so much, see what happens.

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spiderplant@lemm.ee

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11 months ago

You wouldn’t mean these hostages?

Israeli settlers and soldiers tortured, raped and murdered Palestinians in the west bank.

Israel also is imprisoning a number of Palestinians including 500-1000 children in military detention each year and currently an estimated ~150 minors in the Israeli prison system, are they not hostages?

If I go to Gaza/west bank, based on the deaths so far I’d be more likely to die by IDF stray bullets or Israeli bombs than by hamas.

You ignore Israeli crimes and just point out hamas, its exactly what you accuse me of doing.

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11 months ago

You’re perfectly happy eating Hamas propaganda. Again, you’re simping for terrorists and if you don’t have a problem with that, it at least speaks to your rationality in this argument. On the one hand, you’re trying to argue how bad Israel’s treatment of Palestinians is, on the other, you have to trust Hamas to do it. You don’t know anything about what has happened to the other hostages and how they were treated. You want Hamas to seem more humane, so you extrapolate from anecdote. Watch the video that I posted. Do you see Israel doing that? Are they invading Gaza and gunning down random Palestinians?

You keep trying to draw equivalences but you fail because you ignore the intention of the acts, which is entirely what matters in criminal cases. You pretend that Israel has prisoners, that those are hostages. No, they’re prisoners, they’re in prison because of crimes they committed. It literally does not matter if they’re children, you don’t get to roam around and be a danger to society just because you’re under 18. You have no idea what those children have done, yet you freely pretend that they must be hostages and big bad Israel is wrong for keeping them incarcerated. You’re not a legal expert and you have no clue why they’re there.

I don’t doubt that you’d be in danger of IDF if you went to Gaza, but that’s because you’d be hanging out with Hamas. Make your bed and lie in it.

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spiderplant@lemm.ee

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11 months ago

You don’t know what’s happening to the other hostages either but you assume the worst and eat Zionist propaganda up.

Nearly the same amount of Palestinian children have been randomly murdered by Israeli bombs as people died on the 7th, thats not even counting all the other innocent men, women, press, UN staff, medical workers and hostages that have died because of Israels indiscriminate bombing.

They are currently mowing the lawn with bombs rather than gunning them down. The effect is the same.

There have been 1000 people detained in the west bank recently, Israel is detaining Jewish citizens because they are going against the government by calling for peace.

Israelies can not currently enact their right to protest against the government. That doesn’t scream democracy to me.

The fascist Zionist state hurts Israeli Jews as well as Israeli/Palestinian Christians and Muslims.

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11 months ago

Did you watch the video that I posted? That’s what you’re supporting.

Nearly the same amount of Palestinian children have been randomly murdered by Israeli bombs as people died on the 7th

Irrelevant. People die in war, including civilians, and including children. If Palestinians cared about their children, they would raise them to not attack Israel. Apparently, they cannot or will not. This is the consequence. Israel is not there to exact an eye for an eye. They are there to destroy any threat to their security. That means destroying Hamas and all who support them.

thats not even counting all the other innocent men, women, press, UN staff, medical workers and hostages that have died because of Israels indiscriminate bombing.

They are currently mowing the lawn with bombs rather than gunning them down. >The effect is the same.

Again, prove that it’s indiscriminate? You don’t know what the IDF knows, so you can only be propagandizing with statements like that. You want Israel to be indiscriminately bombing Gaza, because of how that changes the appearance of the situation. The fact you have to lie is evidence itself that you’re wrong. Is Gaza still there? Are they indiscriminately bombing south Gaza? Of course not. And, what does this have to do with creating a solution to the war? You advocate for peace, but you ignore what will happen to Israel if they lay down their weapons. What happens to the Palestinians if they surrender? Will they be destroyed? What happens to Israel? I bet you won’t answer.

There have been 1000 people detained in the west bank recently, Israel is detaining Jewish citizens because they are going against the government by calling for peace.

Israelies can not currently enact their right to protest against the government. That doesn’t scream democracy to me.

Free speech is not absolute, as you well know. Should you have the right to tell someone you’re going to murder them and then face no punishment for your free speech? People calling for peace, like you, and like those arrested, are simultaneously calling for the destruction of Israel, because there is no alternative. It is the logical consequence of what happens when Israel allows Hamas to exist. You can stop pretending you’re anti-war and pro-peace, because you’re not. You’re pro-palestine and you’re mad your favored side is losing. Right or wrong, at the end of the day, Israel exists. They aren’t going to just die because you’re sympathetic to terrorists. It would be wise to stop attacking the giant bear that has the power to oppress and destroy you.

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spiderplant@lemm.ee

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11 months ago

Irrelevant. People die in war, including civilians, and including children. If Palestinians cared about their children, they would raise them to not attack Israel. Apparently, they cannot or will not. This is the consequence. Israel is not there to exact an eye for an eye. They are there to destroy any threat to their security. That means destroying Hamas and all who support them.

So it’s war and Israel considers all Palestinian children as threats.

Again, prove that it’s indiscriminate? You don’t know what the IDF knows, so you can only be propagandizing with statements like that. You want Israel to be indiscriminately bombing Gaza, because of how that changes the appearance of the situation.

Hang on you just said every child is a threat and they are going after every threat but that’s not indiscriminate or genocide?

And, what does this have to do with creating a solution to the war? You advocate for peace, but you ignore what will happen to Israel if they lay down their weapons. What happens to the Palestinians if they surrender? Will they be destroyed? What happens to Israel? I bet you won’t answer.

I’m advocating for liberation of Palestinian people and the destruction of the Zionist state.

You can’t pretend that those calling for peace are calling for the destruction of Israel and should be suppressed. Israel has not disappeared in peace time during the last 75 odd years, in fact it keeps getting stronger and bigger.

It would be wise to stop attacking the giant bear that has the power to oppress and destroy you.

So don’t defend yourself from this angry bear that thinks you are a threat and wants to kill or oppress you even if you haven’t done anything yet.

You really said the quiet part out loud in this comment.

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11 months ago

So it’s war and Israel considers all Palestinian children as threats.

Where did Israel say that? Source? More lies for your pathetic defense? Who did Israel declare war against? Hamas. They declared war against Hamas. If you want to say that Palestinian children are part of Hamas, that’s on you and the Palestinians.

Hang on you just said every child is a threat and they are going after every threat but that’s not indiscriminate or genocide?

Quote where I said that, you lying terrorist simp. I have repeatedly said Hamas is the threat and the target of IDF attacks. The fact you have to lie again just shows how irrational you are in this argument.

I’m advocating for liberation of Palestinian people and the destruction of the Zionist state.

You really said the quiet part out loud in this comment.

Ironic. You really said the quiet part out loud in this comment. You claimed at the beginning of this that you are pro-palestine, and what I showed was that truly means you’re anti-Israeli and demand their destruction. Guess what happens when you start a war and lose? You get shit taken from you. That’s what happens. This is exactly why Hamas will be destroyed, because they will never stop starting wars with Israel. Don’t ever say you care about the deaths of innocents. Don’t ever say you care about preventing genocide. You don’t, you liar. You care about Palestinians getting to eradicate Jews, and you don’t care how many innocent Jews die to get that. Well, guess what? The Palestinian people are too fucking incompetent to get what you want. They lost war after war after war, so this is what happens. Keep simping, it means nothing.

You can’t pretend that those calling for peace are calling for the destruction of Israel and should be suppressed.

I’m not pretending, you just admitted to it.

So don’t defend yourself from this angry bear that thinks you are a threat and wants to kill or oppress you even if you haven’t done anything yet.

Again, because you can’t stop sucking up to terrorists; Israel is defending themselves from Hamas who will never stop attacking them. If all Gazans laid down their weapons, there could be peace. If all Israel laid down there weapons, they would be genocided and suddenly you would not want to talk about genocide any more. You have no argument, you only lie and manipulate optics to continually attack Israel which you hate. This too only speaks to your irrationality in this argument. You have nothing.

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