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It‘s probably important to mention that the entire video team is gone. Some of them were fired, so the rest walked. They‘re planning to go independent soon.

Edit: Their new channel will be SecondWindGroup. They’ll do a livestream on November 8th at 11 AM CT, explaining their plans for the future. (Source)

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69 points

Damn.

Props to everyone who quit in solidarity.

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Imagine if Dropout picked them up

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I love Dropout, but consolidating everything under one roof is just not a good idea. Not only are they different teams with different sensibilities, but it’s an unstable industry and if the company with all the “good” content happened to fail, that’d be a disaster.

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Is “fired” the right term? Normally someone being “fired” indicates that they are at fault in some way. It’s not normal for people to be “fired” in bulk. It sounds more like they were laid off, like the company had to cut costs.

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Nick was supposedly fired for failing to meet goals, goals he was apparently never informed that he should be targeting.

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Sounds like they were manufacturing a reason to fire him, then.

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Depending on employment law in his state, that may be actionable.

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Ah yes, sounds like a job.

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Fired and laid off are like buy and purchase - perfect synonyms.

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“fired” implies “termination with cause”. That is, they believe you screwed up and so you were let go without severance, and in a pinch they’re willing to go to court on that.

“Laid off” implies they did bulk downsizing and unless the company finds a way to weasel out of it, there’s going to be severance and employment insurance payouts and the like.

In the Southern states this is a distinction without a difference because they just shoot you in the face and toss you into the body pit there regardless of the cause of the termination of your employment, but in the rest of the world this distinction is real.

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No.

https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/career-development/laid-off-vs-fired

Being “fired” and being “laid off” are both terms that refer to the termination of an individual’s employment. A company may lay off an employee when it doesn’t have the resources to retain them, while a company may fire an employee who isn’t meeting the company’s expectations.

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Well, Nick used that term and he‘s probably in a position to know if it‘s the right one.

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“To be laid off”, or even better “to be let go”, are fucking euphemisms for “fired”, “kicked out”, etc.
That sort of vocabulary is typically used by HR to sound more benevolent, whereas when it’s happening to you, you’ll use the more aggressive terms.

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According to the guys who left, Management forced unrealistic targets on the Editor in Chief, then used him not meeting those targets as an excuse to fire him. Everybody else quit in response.

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Fired implies that it’s disciplinary.

Let go or laid off would be the terms when it’s about lack of work or restructuring.

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