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You’re downvoted but that surprised me as well, being the Secret Service and not [local] police. The perpetrators fled in a vehicle. Doesn’t sound like they were a threat; just car thieves trying to flee.

Important to note that only one Secret Service member opened fire. That makes me more suspicious that it was an unjustified use of force.

That’s an irresponsible reason to discharge firearms in public. Not worth risking innocent bystanders’ lives over petty car thieves.

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I expect this armchair analyst from reddit.

Welp, looks like we got them here too

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What exactly are we supposed to talk about in the comments section of an article?

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There is no rule that you must comment. Silence is an option. Ignorant people often struggle with this concept.

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The weather is nice but I heard it was supposed to rain tomorrow. Hey did you read that other article about Trump? I don’t want an opinion, just to know if you’ve seen it. As you know we’re forbidden from offering opinions.

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Ideally not make things up and treat it as fact.

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Yeah, fuck me for expressing an opinion in relevant discussion that differs from yours.

I hoped toxic circle-jerking, downvoting every dissenting opinion, and upvoting memes and off-topic jokes over relevant discussion would stay on reddit, but here we are.

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The problem isn’t stating a opinion. You literally made up shit based on a sentence…

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This is America.

If the secret service didn’t use excessive force they would probably be reprimanded!

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The Secret Service are cop-adjacent to the point that they more than deserve a side eye at the best of times.

But a visibly unarmed person trying to get into the car could very easily be carrying explosives. Since… that would be a reason you would try to compromise the vehicle of a high value target. It goes against basically all gun safety, but driving them off from a likely populated area is probably in that “Net good?” territory.

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The Secret Service are law enforcement. Protecting presidents and their families is there most visible role but their original mandate and still primary role is to protect the integrity of US currency with a particular focus on combating counterfeiting.

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Yes. Scope creep and repurposing is a long tradition.

But it is also largely irrelevant in this case as the investigative training and procedures used by the currency division are largely unrelated to the bodyguarding done by the… bodyguard division. It is like arguing that all Army Pilots and Mechanics are also specialized in close quarters combat and clearing buildings. Maybe they remember some stuff from basic training but they are on a drastically different career path.

Culturally? I doubt they are all that different and plenty of them are all about “blue lives matter”. But that is why I say they are “cop-adjacent”.

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Especially after trump’s presidency and the actions of his corrupt secret service officers, I think they need both eyes staring; not just a side eye.

I just have different expectations of different law enforcement agencies. I guess the stakes are significantly higher in protecting VIPs as secret service, but I still don’t believe that it warrants risking the lives of bystanders in this scenario.

I don’t believe Biden’s grand daughter’s life is more valuable than a random passerby’s. But obviously the secret service aren’t going to view it that way. I can comprehend their duty, but I disagree with firing here.

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Reality isn’t an episode of NCIS or the show where Little Stark clearly has an Oedipus Complex. Bombs are big with a large radius, especially if they are set up to project shrapnel. The brave veteran walking up is just encouraging them to trigger the detonator and said veteran’s misted body isn’t going to really protect anyone. If anything, it will mean bone fragments.

A quick search that has DEFINITELY got me on a few federal watch lists (time to test Kagi’s privacy, I guess…). One kg of C4 is about a 100 meter radius. Which roughly lines up with https://www.dni.gov/files/NCTC/documents/features_documents/2006_calendar_bomb_stand_chart.pdf

100 meters is approximately an American football field. I sincerely doubt the Secret Service parked her car a football field away from any buildings or other people.

Firing a gun “as a warning” is immensely stupid and dangerous. But I can very much see a world where it is better to risk shooting one or two civillians than it is letting dozens, if not hundreds, get killed while you attempt to surround said terrorist.

It is less saying that Joey’s Granddaughter is more valuable than civilians. It is saying that many civilians are more valuable than one or two.

I largely disagree and would want a pretty thorough investigation by a trustworthy third party (and since ACAB, that doesn’t exist…) but I can very much see the math on how this was a lesser evil.

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The Secret Service are police. They are most well known for protecting presidents and their families but their original and primary mandate is to protect the integrity of US currency. They have jurisdiction over all federal financial crimes and a particular focus on counterfeiting.

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I understand that. What I meant was in comparison to local police and Sherrifs departments. I certainly don’t view them the same, just as I have different expectations from FBI, DEA, etc. (None very positive, mind you…)

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