Comment by EndlessApollo@lemmy.world on But War Crime

The IDF’s solution to bank robbers holding people hostage would be to blow up the bank

When that mass shooter was in Uvalde they should have droned the school.

Better analogy would be the killer in uvalde using a kid as a human shield while also shooting into the other classrooms trying to kill other kids.

Do you shoot back or do you sit around like the cops did and wait till the killer gets bored, runs out of ammo, or runs out of victims.

Just look up how many thousands of rockets and mortars Hamas has launched at seemingly random targets in Israel since October 7th.

Better analogy would be the killer in uvalde using a kid as a human shield while also shooting into the other classrooms trying to kill other kids.

Sure, and then you bomb the school to kill them all. Also bomb all the surrounding buildings just in case.

The movie Blazing Saddles has a scene where the protagonists threatens himself as hostage. It worked. Movie Clip Not Censored https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTNJUjsNKVk&t=153s

Look, we all know that if Israel wanted to kill two million people in Gaza, no one in the world could stop them. Not saying it’s okay that even 0.5% have been killed because that is still a horrifying number. But the idea that they are indiscriminately blowing up every single building is just theatre of the absurd.

Looking at the demographics of the casualties, what suggests the IDF is targeting Hamas in any meaningful way? They’re pretty squarely in line with the Palestinian population broadly - that certainly suggests the killing is indiscriminate to me.

That’s probably only because they want to move in, so they can’t wreck the place too bad.

The arrogance is amazing.

That tiny country could be destroyed by a brisk wind and two battles with bad luck.

The “rockets” you’re referencing aren’t the threat you’re trying to invoke. How many Israelis have been killed by Hamas rockets ever much less since October 7th? Maybe if Israel didn’t have a concentration camp outside of their city walls they wouldn’t have to worry about the threat of retribution?

Better analogy is the Uvalde shooter also starved and killed kids in the school for generations. Then some of the starving children started throwing sharpened pencils.

The “rockets” you’re referencing aren’t the threat you’re trying to invoke.

So the rockets that killed ~~500~~100+ people at al-Ahli hospital aren’t that big of a threat?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2023/10/26/gaza-hospital-blast-evidence-israel-hamas/

Do go on…

Answer the question. How many Israeli’s have died since October 7th from rocket attacks? Making unsubstantiated claims to show how dangerous the rockets are isn’t evidence of anything.

The claims are substantiated. See the link in my response.

The weapon was a misfired Hamas rocket.

The 100+ victims were Palestinians who were at the hospital (parking lot I believe?)

Those same rockets are being fired into Israel (Nearly or over) 10,000 since the conflict began.

Hamas isn’t trying to tickle Israelis with those rockets. See the effect one of those rockets has when they hit a populated area.

Just look up how many hundreds of thousands of Palestinians Israel has killed in the last 30 years. Israel is the bad guy here, it’s not debatable.

the bad guy

Why does there have to be a singular “the” bad guy?

And why the need to lump a huge group together to lay that blame?

The Israeli government and Hamas both share the blame for all of this, among others.

As is too common in the world, while a relatively small group deserves the blame, many more, on both sides, suffer the consequences.

Because one side is attempting genocide. That makes them the bad guy, regardless of whatever they claim Hamas did to them. Claiming Hamas is as bad as the Israeli government is the same as claiming the Jews were equally at fault with the Nazis.

Hamas’s goal is explicitly to genocide Israel. They just don’t have the resources.

Are you aware that Hamas’s charter has the explicit objective of the complete eradication of the Israeli state? The PLO is also not very different in this aspect. So where do you get this “one side is attempting genocide” talking point from?

No but you see, if you’re homeless and the authorities tell you to take shelter in my house, and then you start killing my family members to try and take over the house… if I defend my house… I’m the bad guy bc you where homeless before.

Just look up how many thousands of rockets and mortars Hamas has launched at seemingly random targets in Israel since October 7th.

Now, if only both parties would just cease firing for a moment. Has anyone thought of that? And if: has any governmet refused to offer/accept such ceasing of firing? /s

If you think you can get Hamas, an organization who states goal is to kill every Israeli, to agree to an abide by a cease fire, go for it. Their current track record speaks volumes to the contrary

Yeah, it’s a better idea give Hamas new recluits /s

Good job dehumanizing “the enemy”. That way, you can legitimize any war crime. If you think that Hamas is such a non-human entity, why are the hostages not already considered dead?

an organization who states goal is to kill every Israeli

[Citation needed]

To be clear: I’m definetly not rooting for the authoritarian regime of Hamas. Their leaders should drown in the blood they spilled.

If that were the case, Gaza would be a flat parking lot right now.

Have you seen photos of Gaza?

Ok cool so you are retracting your comment then sounds good.

Large swaths of it kind of are

So you think that had the US military known about the 9/11 planes 5 minutes earlier they should have still just let them hit the WTS?

Shit you’re right, I forgot that banks and hospitals are exactly the same as a plane headed towards a building

…uh… weren’t you the one who made the terrorists = bank robbers metaphor?

Bank robbers aren’t going to murder thousands if they pull off the heist. Blowing up the 9/11 planes would’ve saved a lot of people, indiscriminately killing hostages to get at the robbers is just evil. Israel is doing the latter, and I can’t think of any way that killing Palestinian civilians is a remotely justifiable or effective way of saving Israelis or anyone else

So you are criticizing your OWN metaphor?

Or you’re suggesting that Hamas are not terrorists? Or are you one of those weird denialists who think there were not 1200 Israelis killed in the Oct 7 attacks?

I’m so confused.

Hamas has continued indiscriminately firing thousands of rockets, displacing hundreds of thousands of Israelis who fear for their lives, and has promised to repeat the attacks if left to their devices. So it’s a terror group that has killed, they are killing, and they will kill again.

I agree bank robbers is a bad metaphor, but it’s YOUR metaphor.

You seem to confuse easy, let me explain. I wasn’t the one bringing up 9/11 in the first place, that was never part of my metaphor. It was a dumb and irrelevant thing of the other person to bring up for reasons I’ve already explained. I was saying the IDF would kill hostages rather than trying to defuse a hostage situation without killing everyone, as has happened countless times. Was that simple enough for you or do you need the 3rd grade version?

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