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At this point, the people smart enough to understand this- already get it. Those that refuse to accept it- are lost causes.

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lost causes with the power to vote…

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This is not the scariest part

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Here, nor there. The point remains. There’s no getting through to them. They’re beyond help.

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It is both here and there. It isn’t an argument against your statement. It is saying how what you’ve said is worse than it appears. It is both enhancing and expanding on your comment.

And you’re trying to start an argument on the internet with someone on your side. 🤦

Starting to think you might be one of those lost causes.

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Have you reread his comment now? Do you understand it yet?

(By the by, you truncated the expression in your first sentence: “it’s neither here nor there”. Wasn’t sure if you did that on purpose for brevity.)

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The problem will always be the people not smart enough to understand it

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Or never think it will ever happen to them so if they aren’t ever going to benefit from it, why should they pay for anybody to have it?

The perfect example of this is during COVID in the UK when everything locked down and the government implemented furlough payments for all workers using your wage defined by income tax. Lots of self employed are set up as a business and pay the majority of their income as the business with a token amount being actual wages so that they qualify for state benefits like the state pension. This is done to lower their tax bill. Cue loads of self employed moaning that they weren’t getting enough to live on, despite making an intentional choice to pay less tax.

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Or never think it will ever happen to them so if they aren’t ever going to benefit from it, why should they pay for anybody to have it?

But I’m in this camp, why should I pay taxes if all I see is a dreadful health system, shit public education system, knowing the social security is bankrupt and will not be able to provide me with a decent retirement, and all the money going into bank bailouts and mismanaged public companies.

If all I see is the gov mismanaging the funds I give them, why am I not allowed to manage them myself?

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I don’t think so. I know otherwise intelligent people who think 40% of beneficiaries are “scroungers” who are “cheating the system” somehow.

The more we can circulate this message the better: there is still plenty of people who could be brought around.

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