A recently released Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) document titled “Domestic Terrorism Symbols Guide”* links common protest symbols to “terrorism” — another marker in a common theme of conflating militant protest for social justice with deadly terrorist violence within the United States. Groups like the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and the Brennan Center have raised warnings about such documents, citing inadequate protections for people’s constitutional rights.

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“Anti-fa” literally means anti-fascist. The allies storming the beaches of Normandy were “anti-fa.” The only thing “anti-fa” wants these days is for cops to stop murdering them. Needless to say, I support that position.

Some idiot put that in the list for purely political reasons.

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It’s easy to hate antifa if you’re fa.

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Names are meaningless. The allies were fighting the “National Socialists”, who weren’t Socialists. Likewise, “Defund the Police” movement members need not actually support defunding the police - supporting lowering their funding without lowering it to zero still qualifies.

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“Defund the Police” movement members need not actually support defunding the police - supporting lowering their funding without lowering it to zero still qualifies.

I swear this was the worst slogan in the history of all of slogans, and it did irreparable harm to the reform movement.

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and it did irreparable harm to the reform movement.

No. The reform movement did it all by themselves.

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Part of me loves that they kept the title, because it’s so easy to ask very brief questions to get the word’s user to start blubbering.

“Anti-what? They’re against ‘fa’? Oh, what is that short for? What idea are these people opposing? Tell me.”

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LOL at all the downvotes for saying that fascism is bad. The Western world is totally screwed.

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Yet when the Gadsen flag was put in the same leaflet there wasn’t any commenting on political reasons

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No, it’s important to separate ideology from actions. Most, and all reasonable, would agree that fascism is bad. Most people are anti-fascist as is morally right and just.

The novel group of activists that call themselves Antifa have performed inexcusable, terrorist actions in the name of the movement and perverted it’s noble goals. Fascism is bad, as are those that make misguided and foolish mistakes that harm innocents in the name of righteousness.

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Antifa have performed inexcusable, terrorist actions in the name of the movement

Name one. And before you say it, no, looting after a protest goes south isn’t an act of terror.

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The novel group of activists that call themselves Antifa

Can you name any members of this group or share a news story of any action they have been a part of?

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No, it’s important to separate ideology from actions.

Which is something the FBI has chosen not to do by calling the symbols of the ideology terrorist symbols instead of calling out any particular organizations that are doing anything actually criminal.

Antifa is not an organization, so if someone is labeling protest symbols as terrorism, we know where their loyalties lie. (hint: they don’t want freedom of speech, they want to suppress the ideology).

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There are actual terrorist organizations operating in the United States that the FBI is actually choosing to turn a blind eye to because they’re afraid of the political ramifications of actually enforcing the law. Donald Trump is public enemy number one and protected only because the federal judiciary is too scared, the legislature too stupid and the executive too lazy to do anything about it.

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Oh look… a confused fascist!

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Your first half was good, but impugning terrorist actions on them wasn’t the way to go.

I do agree though: setting fire to courthouses, or creating an environment of lawlessness that guarantees small mom and pop businesses get looted is also not a winning cause. Protesting and counter-protesting where normal operations can continue is essential. The moment you start fucking with people’s day-to-day is where you lost.

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Isn’t protest supposed to make things inconvenient for people and to make them uncomfortable? I agree that local small businesses should not be wrecked because that just makes you the bad guy, but if people are able to go about their day without having to make any adjustments, then is the message being properly conveyed?

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LOL at this both sides copypasta.

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