Health experts say axing plan to block sales of tobacco products to next generation will cost thousands of lives

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So it’s conservative to refuse to ban tobacco? Do you agree with the general consensus that it’s also conservative to ban marijuana? How do you square those two attitudes, if so?

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Tobacco causes mass amounts of death and warps entire societies and economies from killing so many older people. Also, massive tobacco companies break any law they want virtually and have for the entirety of their existence as massive corporations marketed cigarettes to kids.

So yes, I consider it conservative to refuse to ban tobacco and see no conflict with marijuana because marijuana doesn’t cause mass amounts of death and suffering (and before you say it does, give me proof).

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What is concerning about spliff is the tendency to facilitate descent into abnormal mental states.

I enjoy good relations with a few healthcare professionals and the general consensus is, at this point, spliff has more potential benefits to explore than bad effects, so it makes sense to explore it, never overlooking the continuous use has been linked with some serious mental inbalances and even some physical syndromes.

Just a few days ago, here, on Lemmy, there was a lemming talking about a strange condition where continuous use over decades can trigger extremer pain and discomfort episodes, due to deposit of substances on fat tissue.

Tobacco is a proven killer, yes, but who knows what weird side effets we may be yet to discover connected with mary jane.

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Tobacco is a proven killer, yes, but who knows what weird side effets we may be yet to discover connected with mary jane.

I am sure there are weird effects to uncover with modern science, but it isn’t like people just started smoking weed and nobody knows what happens to people who smoke weed their whole lives… and the consequences are quite clearly a universe away from alcohol and tobacco.

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Tobacco lobbyists pay shitloads of money to conservatives and their causes.

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@quindraco in the New Zealand context yes it’s extremely conservative. This government is a lot more conservative than previous right-wing govts.

The “smokefree” policies were created by the Maori Party, whose constituency is disproportionately harmed by smoking.

If marijuana was killing thousands of Maori they would probably have wanted to but it isn’t.

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It’s conservative to bend over and spread `em for the benefit of the owning class at the expense of everyone else - chiefly the workers those politicians claim to represent.

Others have pointed out the gaping differences in the health outcomes (including the burden that places on the healthcare system), addiction rates, etc.

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