lemm.ee

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11 months ago

Treated me with kindness? No you jumped on your high horse, don’t act like you were doing me a “kindness”. You’ve made it very clear what your intention was.

Besides which, I was addressing what you got wrong about what I’ve said. You kept willfully ignoring what I wrote. Why would I waste more words on someone that isn’t reading?

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gayhitler420@lemm.ee

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11 months ago

I asked if I was reading what you wrote correctly and gave a summary. You accused me of not reading and continued to do so with every reply.

I want to understand what you’re saying. if you think I’ve missed an important point, copy and paste it in front of a “>” so I can see instead of just repeating that I didn’t read.

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11 months ago

You expect me to break what I’ve written down piece by piece with no clarification as to what you’re confused about?

Are you joking?

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gayhitler420@lemm.ee

1 point

11 months ago

i’ve tried to be clear and ask specific questions about the parts of your comments that are confusing. i’ll copy and paste em here for you so you don’t have to go looking.

I’m even more confused now. None of these people who disagree and feel attacked and repulsed by my rhetoric are here. None of them responded to my comments. None of them even downvoted my comments except one on my first reply to you.

Why are you bringing up people who aren’t here a month after the fact?

What other variant of “white people bad” is the topic of our discussion? How are variants germane to our conversation?

I’m starting to get the feeling that you disagree and feel attacked and repulsed by my rhetoric, which seems like a fair change from a month ago. Is that so?

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11 months ago

Why are you bringing up people who aren’t here a month after the fact?

Yes, I addressed this. If you’d read what I said, I very clearly stated that on Lemmy it’s likely fine. On any major social media site, it isn’t.

What other variant of “white people bad” is the topic of our discussion? How are variants germane to our discussion?

The exact comment that sparked this entire thread. It’s germane because it is literally the point of the discussion? Do you understand why I’m claiming you don’t read?

I’m starting to get the feeling that you disagree and feel attacked and repulsed by my rhetoric, which seems like a fair change from a month ago. Is that so?

You started to get this feeling because you didn’t read what I wrote. I’m sorry I didn’t perfectly MLA format my essay for you, Mr. Debatelord, I’ll do it better next time (I won’t).

You completely assumed I was disagreeing with what you said, when the reality is I’m talking about how the thread is perceived as a whole. You would have understood this if you read what I wrote.

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gayhitler420@lemm.ee

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11 months ago

i didn’t ask why you were bringing up people who aren’t here after the fact in response to your statement that on lemmy it was probably okay, i asked it in response to your claim that you were referring to all the different people who would respond to my post. i was asking it because after a month, only you had responded to my post and we had a perfectly fine conversation. even looking at the votes there was no indication that anyone had a problem with my comments.

in direct response to it being likely fine i asked if all this was based on the assumption that i’d talk this way everywhere.

I was asking those questions because it seemed like you were trying to construct a situation where your reasoning held but i didn’t want to make that assumption and accuse you of that so i asked you to elaborate instead.

I wasn’t able to find any variant of “white people bad” in the top comment. if you can point it out that would help me understand. i’ll quote the entire comment here so you don’t have to go looking:

Anytime I hear people say dumb shit like this I just start listing all the times anti-abortion activists either successfully murdered or attempted to murder their political opponents in the name of the pro life movement. A hit list of judges, physicians, nuns, retired old ladies that like to knit, they absolutely didn’t give a single fuck about any of this struggle session bullshit wreckers like to trot out to sabotage effective resistance

Then I end with the date Roe got overturned, but they still somehow cannot connect the dots and want to talk about registering new voters or some fucking bullshit

My take home message is it turns out that when white people actually want something they magically know what effective forms of protest actually look like (???!)

your formatting and structure wasn’t what made me think you were the one who felt attacked and repulsed, it was your use of offensive stereotypes when describing a person i actually needed to orient my responses and thought towards. what i’m specifically referring to is using broken english and invoking “billy the inbred”.

later on, your continued suggestion that people on other social media sites and who would read my comments would respond badly to “white people bad” combined with the fact that I couldn’t find any example of it in the top comment made me think you were bringing something you disagreed with into the conversation and trying to put it on someone else to make space to talk about it (think someone who blames something incidental on a political issue or party: I stub my toe and blame the reTHUGlicans, etc), which dovetails with the idea that its actually you who has some problem with the rhetoric.

but it would have been insulting to assume the worst so i asked questions instead to gain a better understanding.

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11 months ago

Edit/tldr: The topic could not have been more meta, and instead of treating it as a meta commentary; you acted like you took it literally and behaved as if I was throwing up strawmen or secretly disagreeing with you. This is why I scoff at the idea that you want me to think this is a conversation, when that was very clearly never your intent.

Can you tell me where I brought up other social media platforms? Because if you had read what I wrote you’d have seen that it was immediately after talking about how others would perceive your post.

To put it simply, I think statements like “yt people bad” or any of the variants are too reductive for their explanations to ultimately matter, regardless of merit.

Nothing about what I’ve said has deviated from this message.

By the way, no I chose my words carefully. I never stated that this post or these comments would be seen on other platforms. It seems like the only issue you have with what I’ve said is that I didn’t preface it with “If you speak like this on other platforms.”.

Beyond which, you realize that before this conversation it wasn’t like I was totally unaware of what oppression was? It’s not like I lived in a bubble, I just don’t like how conversations about this topic always become racially charged despite that never being the real problem.

It’s funny to me that you refer to any of this as a “conversation”. Obfuscating my points by conflating both of my subjects (you and the person who sparked the thread), being “confused” despite the fact that I was very clear with my words, arbitrarily deciding that I must just disagree that oppression is real; all of these things point to debatelord tactics. I am mortified for the people you speak to regularly if this is the shit you put them through during “conversation”.

Lastly, what point is there in trying to refine the opinion of someone who is already aligned morally with you? Why, if we’ve come to a point where we have an understanding, would you point fingers and act as if anything other than complete acceptance of your message is incorrect? Why is there no room for refinement of your perspective? What makes you think that this is any kind of meaningful discourse? Especially when you take into consideration that your response implies that you don’t speak like this on other platforms?

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