This site has these sorts of stats for each state.
A “modest one bedroom” isn’t exactly modest - it’s a luxury for a single person. Modest would be sharing a studio with several other people.
The federal minimum wage really is quite low (even that shared studio would cost a large fraction of what a minimum-wage worker earns) but I don’t think society should be targeting the “lives alone in a one-bedroom” lifestyle as the minimum when sharing a space is a reasonable and much more affordable way to live.
Ah yes, can’t afford “luxury” one bedroom apartments? Just shack up with half a dozen strangers in a studio apartment! It’s the only reasonable thing to do.
Your desire to live in squallor should not be forced on others, you pathetic, unsympathetic piece of shit.
Could have? Yes. Should have? No.
People who are OK with others getting ripped off and having terrible conditions just because they did in the past are scum of the Earth. Literally, they CHOOSE to perpetuate problems. Problems that they identified as problems.
Fuck them, and fuck anyone who defends them. They are literally a detriment to the world.
Edit: Keep in mind, I worded it after reading some of their later replies. They are quite comfortable giving others less because they had a poor upbringing. Preeeetty sure honorable people take the exact opposite lesson when they live through it and learn that squalor shouldn’t be acceptable for anyone to deal with.
If we blend the peasants into a fine paste, imagine how many more we could fit!
Why are you defending both these conditions for people and superyachts? In what way is this good for society? Shall we return to slavery - productivity will skyrocket as labour costs plummet, and you can motivate your workers by beating them nearly to death.
Why are you defending both these conditions for people and superyachts?
I’m a much stronger supporter of the American status quo than most other people here are. It’s very good to live in this country, certainly much better than living where I was born in the former Soviet Union. (Middle-class people from there come here to work illegally for very low wages, because even the people with the lowest incomes here have more money than a middle-class person there.) There’s room for improvement, but changes should be made slowly and carefully, with an emphasis on not breaking anything. So when someone proposes a policy that would encourage billionaires to leave, I’m against that because it might have unintended side effects on the economy. And when someone has unreasonable expectations about what the minimum wage ought to be, I’m against that too for the same reason.
The new generation of “clean your plate, there’s starving children in Africa.”
Saying “don’t complain because someone else has it worse” is the worst form of bad faith, uneducated argument. You’re the problem.
I’ve got things going pretty nicely for me, so I don’t want anything to change unless I’m not as close to the top as I currently am. Change might make me feel less wealthy, and so it scares me.
Ah got it. Totally understandable.
Billionaires are an active drain on society. They shouldn’t exist.
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Their unchecked, unreasonable economic power buys political power that undermines democracy.
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Their resources were snatched from the workers that did the productive labour, disincentivising them from that productive work.
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The huge pools of comparatively idle capital act as a handbrake on the economy, whereas workers would stimulate the economy by spending that money.
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The environmental impact of billionaires and things like their superyachts is absolutely incredible.
…but we’ll fuck workers to the point that they can’t afford their own shelter to ensure that those billionaires can exist. Again, why?
It’s very good to live in this country (…) because even the people with the lowest incomes here have more money than a middle-class person there.
Again, you’re defending people being paid wages too low to afford their own shelter. Minimum fucking wage, my guy - because the billionaires will pay people as little as they can get away with - up to and including restoring slavery if given the opportunity.
As for people fleeing one formerly fascist capitalist hellscape for another that’s sliding toward fascism? What’s this supposed to tell me?
Did your parents share a studio with several other people when they were young?
People have to put 2.5x the regular number of hours to afford a single house to themselves. If they wanted to try to spend only 50% of their income on rent (still a stupid ask, but normalized these days.) They would have to share that one bedroom rental with 5 other people! That’s a lot of scheduling to keep that one bed free.
I kind of agree that communal-ish living should be more normalized in the U.S. but people should at least have their bedroom free. It’s kind of a difficult argument to make when every apartment is built to accommodate one person or a couple and no new property ever gets built with communal living in mind.
Edit: also, the one bedroom apartment is obviously being used as a benchmark here and not as the plutonic goal for renters.
Responses to this comment are why intelligent discussion around this and many topics like it are worthless to have on Lemmy. There is an echo chamber here way larger and more insular than there ever was on Reddit.
The Lemmy hive mind is of a single perspective. It is best to ignore discussion around serious topics on this site, unfortunately.
I mean while I agree with you on the surface, that dude is comparing old Soviet Union life to modern American life… it’s pretty obvious those two things are very different.
Oh I completely agree with you. But the comments against it are ridiculous.
For decades, young people lived with roommates yet this is completely ignored. I grew up with roommates. My parents did too. So did their parents. But reading these comments makes it sound like the expectation is to turn 18 and be handed the keys to a 1 BR in a nice area.
Just ridiculous. And every single topic in this site is the same.
