lemm.ee

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11 months ago

I don’t know who’s selling this line you think is being sold. I’ll happily vote for a better Democrat than Biden. And I don’t know of anybody who is so enamored with Biden that they’d throw a temper tantrum if he wasn’t the nominee. I actually don’t know what you’re arguing here other than saying “a better person than Biden would be better.” Which is true, but it’s just a tautology.

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Diotima@kbin.social

1 point

11 months ago

I’m noting that expecting people to vote for the least bad candidate here is easily rectified by the Dems choosing someone less terrible. The base would vote for a pickle sandwich if it had a blue sticker on it. As such, choosing someone who appeals to swing allies is the right move.

Biden, whatever value he has, does not appear to have that appeal. So if winning is important, Democrats hold the key. Choose someone less repugnant to swing voters.

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11 months ago

Again, that’s just saying someone better than Biden would be better. I’m not sure who you’re trying to convince that wouldn’t agree with you.

I expect people to vote intelligently based on the outcome they want. If there’s 2 outcomes and they don’t want outcome A, they should vote for B. Complaining that B isn’t sparkly and written in glitter doesn’t change the fact that they don’t want outcome A more.

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Diotima@kbin.social

1 point

11 months ago

And that’s why we have two terrible candidates.

If choices A and B are both bad and team B has full control of who they’re fielding, rewarding them for choosing poorly perpetuates the same. If they’re too blind or arrogant to see that B is losing them the contest, then that’s their own fault.

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11 months ago

What a weird take. You’re not rewarding anybody. You’re choosing who will be the next president. You’re making a choice that will affect you and millions of other people.

I said previously I expect people to vote intelligently. You seem to be implying that allowing Trump to win just to spite the Democratic party for choosing Biden is somehow a rational choice.

You brought up blind arrogance.

Imagine being so blind that you fail to see that the outcome of a Trump victory would be devastatingly worse for yourself and for the world. That you’d be supporting an outcome that leads to more and worse genocide, despite that being a “single issue” for you. That’s blind.

Imagine being so arrogant that you’d choose the path that leads to more genocide and greater global suffering, despite genocide apparently being a “single issue” for you, simply to punish a political party made up of millions of people because they didn’t field the candidate you wanted them to. You said yourself: “The Democrats have a membership of millions.” Yet you are the one stamping your feet and threatening that if they choose Biden, you’re going to vote against him just to spite them. And help bring about more genocide, despite that apparently being important to you. That’s arrogance.

You don’t have to like Biden, you just have to prefer the outcome of a Biden victory over the outcome of a Trump victory. It’s akin to choosing between lima beans or rusty nails for everyone’s dinner. You don’t have to like lima beans, but if you are so arrogant to choose the rusty nails for everybody because you don’t want lima beans, you’re blind to how you will hurt others and yourself.

I’m sorry man, but you need to take a big step back, read everything that you wrote, and apply it to your own position. Then think on the actual outcomes that the two paths before you lead towards.

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Diotima@kbin.social

1 point

11 months ago

Aah, the same old “lesser evil” arguments that put us here in the first place.

Trump is a direct result of this abjectly stupid idea that eating shit every 4 years is necessary because Daddy Blue says so. If he wins, its because the Democrats couldn’t be bothered to read the room and select a candidate worthy of the presidency.

And there it is. Not voting for Biden is stamping ones feet. The sheer entitled arrogance. Jesus.

You offer me rusty nails or razor blades and tell me the razor blades are beans. No thanks.

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11 months ago

And there it is. Not voting for Biden is stamping ones feet. The sheer entitled arrogance. Jesus.

Exactly. You are stamping your feet and exhibiting sheer entitled arrogance.

Your inability to comprehend the logical outcomes of your decisions is seriously disturbing. You’ve been polite enough and engaged honestly with me, and I appreciate that. But I don’t think we’re moving in any productive direction so let’s end it here.

I’ll just leave you with the same words I said before: You need to take a big step back, read everything that you wrote, and apply it to your own position. Then think on the actual outcomes that the two paths before you lead towards.

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