I don’t. I call for the prosecution of Bibi and many Likud members for their war crimes before October.

Would love to see them in the ICC.

You must have confused me with the Hamas fans and apologists in here who support terrorism and war crimes and justify and apologize for it endlessly.

Before Oct. all the apartheid collective punishment was absolutely war crimes, and I’d love to see Bibi and many Likud members at the ICC for their crimes. They can still argue that Gaza was an operational location for Hamas, but I think and hope they’d lose that argument.

But after October… Hamas officially made Gaza a theater of war and any target they co-locate in loses legal protections. And when I see 57% resident support for Hamas there (their elected governement), I steuggle and mostly feel awful for the 43% who don’t support them.

I am with you that two wrongs don’t make a right. Or in this region’s case, an endless cycle of thousands of years of violence don’t make a right.

But I also believe strongly that Israel has a right to defend itself. The current mess is Hamas’s design. I don’t know what people want Israel to do, take the terrorist attack that killed 1200+… just take it on the chin and go “oh well”? When any honest person knows no nation on earth would do that.

Take my upvote, a rare one on the worldnews group.

Hamas uses civilians as shields. And I condem co-locating in protected targets, causing them to lose thar legal protected status–those ARE war crimes. Period. I absolutely condemn all the intentional civilian casualties Hamas has caused and seeks to maximize.

But also, your antisemitism is showing.

There wouldn’t even be a Bibi without them. He would have lost, and Perez would have moved forward with two states and Arafat (who Hamas would have also had a harder time removing).

The bottom line is I think we can agree they’re bedfellows, yeah? Hamas has been trying to make this conflict happen their entire existence. They want maximum Palestian casualties in the hopes of expanding the war to more nations than just their allies like Quatar, Iran, and the Houthis.

Never look to me to defend Bibi and the Likud. Many war criminals there I’d like to see taken to the Hague.

The difference is Hamas ALWAYS has and openly targets civilians. The IDF is trying to minimize them in one of the densest urban war theaters ever (chosen by and forced by Hamas who is co-locating and using it as a shield).

You don’t seem to understand the civilian casualties that would occur if the IDF were intentionally seeking to target civilians. You’d be looking at hundreds of thousands or even millions. And you would NOT risk your troops on the ground with that plan. They have the ability to end this with no troops on the ground, but not while minimizing casualties.

(difference is Hamas was founded 40 years later)

You think xenophobic means against terrorists? And you’re mad because I’m not supportive of terrorists?

So confusing.

I keep trying to explain, judging conflicts based on whether casualties are even, is morally and ethically bankrupt. It’s a really sick way of thinking.

The corollary is this would be more acceptable if more of the other side died. I mean, that’s seriously broken.

What leads you to believe that? 🤔

EDIT: I think the statement is so absurd, that I had to come back and add an edit. I watch lots of AlJazeera and BBC, they constantly show women working in hospitals or the government.

This lady for example, just from one video I’m watching just now :/ or like the thousands of others… Do you think women don’t take jobs in Gaza? Is that what you’re saying?

I mean at least if you’re going to make claims like that, pick ones that aren’t readily verifiable by simply watching the news.

Or what about this other lady who was their spokesman 10 years ago? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/07/yorkshire-educated-woman-female-hamas-spokesperson