Timothy Murray lost his father earlier this year and had been asking his principal for counseling when she called in the police

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Maybe that’s just because it makes sense to not want a massive amount of expenses in a life where they may have trouble taking care of themselves already.

You really act like it’s a bad thing to not have children if you can’t financially take care of them.

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And none of these have to do with targeted killing of human organisms based solely on the circumstances of their conception?

You don’t get to play “the conservatives want to kill and imprison poor children” card, when pro-choice liberals celebrate the exact same thing (not pro-life ones like me).

“You really act like it’s a bad thing to not have children if you can’t financially take care of them”

This argument falls in the same category of logic error that the “abortion is good because it prevents children from being poor” that I am refuting.

The fact that it is bad for people to be poor, does not follow that they should therefore be deprived of existence, because existence is not the cause of suffering but the poverty. When someone says “I wish I wasn’t poor”, they are NOT saying “I wish I didn’t exist” because they could easily make that happen. They are wishing that they had less hardship.

Likewise your argument is also a failure at descriptivism. Not having children for financial reasons, is not immoral. Abortion is not just “not having children”, it is an active deprivation of all future experiences of an existing human organism. That’s why it’s immoral. (And yes trying to argue that fetuses aren’t people is insufficient since one can argue from idealized persons {e.g we don’t kill mentally ill suicidal people because an idealized person wouldn’t want to die, in other words the immediate condition of the human is gladly ignored), or cases of temporary loss of personhood (regardless of how you define it) which would permit killing many if not all adults.

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Point is, it’s not immoral no matter how much you cry about it now stay out of other peoples lives.

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Pretty sure I can rigorously prove that you accept moral principles, empirical facts and a logical system that determines that abortion is infact immoral, you simply never bothered to analyze it.

“Now stay out of other people’s lives”

Can you imagine what a horrible (dare I say immoral?) world you would have if immoral actions could not be restricted? Next time someone wrongs you remember that you are the real perpetrator for expecting them to follow your conception of morality.

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Abortion is not just “not having children”, it is an active deprivation of all future experiences of an existing human organism

So is wanking into socks. Get over it.

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Empirically false. How are you literally so stupid?

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