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you do realize south america is full of white people and is as rich as like croatia or whatever right?

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No we recognize racism exists and are pointing it out to you. You are in denial

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thousands of people who look like you, who were US citizens, were illegally deported to Mexico by US police. This would never happen to an indigenous inhabitant of an actual Western country, even if they were here illegally. Illegal immigrants from Poland don’t get questioned on the street, while LEGAL US CITIZENS OF MEXICAN DESCENT get illegally deported: does that sound like people who are part of the same bloc to you?

I personally know light skinned US-born Indians, who would “pass” as any Latino ethnicity, perfect US-American accent, who were killed in broad daylight in the rural areas of Missouri and the police purposely ignored it

You are just not western and you never will be. You seem obsessed with being considered part of the west, but the reality is that you just aren’t.

Nobody here is obsessed with race, our enemies are obsessed with race (and they know better than to admit it in public). So we learn quickly

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Why does the US consider everything south of it its “backyard” and not Canada? I promise you the average American doesn’t think of some white German descendent when you talk about South America unless it’s Argentina

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the monroe doctrine definitely included canada after it stopped being a UK colony. and what does americans thinking latin america being full of germans have to do with anything?

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also if you’re looking for “Germanic” looking people in Argentina you’ll be pretty disappointed. They’re basically 30% Native (Mapuche, Toba, and Guarani) and 70% Southern European (Spanish Italian)

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Doesn’t matter, that’s not what people in America or Europe think and they don’t consider them in the club. The “collective west” and the “global north” and the “first world” are racist clubs filled with white people and nobody in those groups consider Latin America part of it

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that’s not what people in the US think, perhaps, but you’ll be surprised to learn europe is a fairly diverse place with a range of opinions

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I’m talking about the media classes and elite and rulers who use the terms. When they say “first world” they are not talking about a single country south of Texas

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europe is a diverse place with a range of opinions

not really

https://i.postimg.cc/MWGZ93zF/image.png

Almost every European country would not be willing to help Colombia if it had a major crisis.
The only Euro country majorly willing to help was Spain, which makes some sense considering the entire continent is partial descendants of them.

But even then, Spain was less willing to help Colombia than it would other Southern European and even Northern European countries which are MUCH richer than Colombia.

Since Colombia is a Latin American country which was recently loosely allied with the West, doesn’t have any major geopolitical disputes with them (unlike Cuba Bolivia Venezuela), and also since it’s a very solidly “Mestizo” country (unlike Bolivia Peru) it is a very good proxy for basically any Latin American nation. Their opinion on Colombia, basically, is “as good as it gets” for Latin American countries.

You are not white and never will be, and the honest and emotional conception of the term “Western” is entirely based on race and collective racial interests of white people. Russia isn’t in it because Russia wants more stuff at the expense of other Whites. Latin American countries aren’t in it because they’re not white.

I’m not sure why so much of the rest-of-the-world outside the West is delusional about this. Maybe they’re projecting their natural goodwill onto white people lmao? Or maybe they’re so ridiculously prideful that they’re allergic to seeing themselves as an “oppressed group” that they’ll deny the most basic evidence of reality in order to boost their ego?

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Are you being some kind of weird nazi pick-me, or are you just severely misinformed?

The average person in Mexico, Central America, Colombia, Ecuador, Venezuela, Peru, Chile, Bolivia, and like 75% of Brazil just doesn’t pass as a white person here in the US.

that’s like 90% of Latin America or 75% of South America. They’re not white, they’re admixed with Europeans. Just like Black Americans are.
I know a lot of you think you’re white because you’re lighter skinned than black people. Arabs and lighter skinned Indians also think that a lot of the time. They’re not. Almost everyone in Northern Europe and Anglo America can tell the difference

and tbh even Argentinians don’t really look that white to me on average.

Also, South America is FAR poorer than Croatia. Latter is $17k GDP per head. Average South American GDP is $10k according to stats, but these don’t weight for population so small rich countries like Chile and Uruguay make it falsely larger. South America is dominated by Brazil whose GDP is $7k per head, so yea Latin American avg GDP/capita is something like $9,000 if we’re being very optimistic.

And like somebody already said, Croatia itself is the periphery of the west

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We’re not “obsessed with race”, we’re just aware that the rightists who invented the social construct that is “the west” and talk about it all the time are. They’re white supremacists. And “the west” is a white supremacist construct. Being aware of that is a good thing. I dont understand what your disconnect is.

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Look, neither you or I get to define what “the West” means. It is a racist concept, but that’s the unfortunate reality of the situation. “The West” is not defined by who thinks they should belong to it, it’s defined by the material reality of exploitation. It’s nearly synonymous with “Imperial Core.” If you’re in the periphery, you are not part of “The West” no matter how much your society mirrors so-called western culture. Just as a regular worker is not part of the bourgeoisie no matter how much they want to be. There are the exploiters and the exploited. Latam, on the global stage, is exploited by the imperial core and there is no escaping that fact. The exploiters will never see it as part of their club because they’re exploiting it! It’s not like we (hexbears or leftists in general) see this as a good thing or want to perpetuate it. We want to tear it the fuck down. But we can’t deny material reality, and it seems like that’s what you’re trying to do by insisting that Latam is western and getting mad at us for the fact that it’s largely racism that determines who belongs to the in-group “Western” and who doesn’t.

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