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-28 points

You either didn’t read my comment from earlier in the thread or you enjoy trying to frame an argument.

I’ll post it below for you to read and educate yourself.

There have been two state solutions on the table with Jerusalem as the Palestinian capital on the table multiple times. Palestinians turned every one of them down. Instead of building their own state they will be further pushed out of Gaza. Where they go is anyones guess no one wants them, especially other Muslim states.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-state_solution

TLDR: Palestine will be wiped of the map unless they choose a different path. Israel isn’t going anywhere.

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The negotiations were argued in bad faith. Israel would put forth ridiculous demands and then lay the blame on Palestine for rejecting them. Why do you think Palestinians are being pushed out of Gaza and have been continually and constantly pushed out for decades? There was never a sincere effort for a two-state solution.

Nobody wants to take on many refugees all at once, it’s very difficult to manage. Why do you think Britain “volunteered” Palestinian land to relocate Jews out of Europe? It wasn’t out of the goodness of their heart.

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No response to this of course. Don’t even expect one. They are currently with their fingers in their ears yelling “LALALLALALALA”

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There’s literally a response just below yours, but of course taking the time to make sure you’re actually right is never a strong point for you people.

I personally find it very funny that the pro-Palestinian go-to is that none of the offers Israel made for a 2 state solution were ‘realistic’ or ‘serious’ or ‘good faith’. No one doubts that there were offers. Tell me, in what other scenario in all of human history do the losers of a war (that they started) get to dictate the terms of their surrender?

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Bullshit, there have been multiple attempts at a settlement with regional actors who were sympathetic to the Palestinians. Palestinians turned them all down.

Not a single country in the Middle East has volunteered to take in even a token amount of refugees… Egypt used to control the Sinai and govern that region… nada, zilch, zero refugees allowed to cross into their boarders.

Nobody in the Middle East except Iran wants anything to do with the Palestinians. Iran is only happy to use them to further their regional goals.

Saudi was in the middle of negotiations with Israel before this conflict broke out.

Why is this? Because everyone has tried to negotiate a peace and the Palestinians refuse to come to terms.

Israel is waging total war on Gaza. It’s ugly and civilians will be killed. Nobody is going to stop them because the region wants an end to this conflict one way or another and no one gives a shit about Palestine.

Brutalizing Gaza and driving Hamas out is the only way this is going to be solved.

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Palestinians DON’T WANT TO GO TO ANOTHER COUNTRY. THEY WANT TO STAY IN THEIR HOME THE PLACE THEIR FAMILIES HAVE LIVED FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS

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If driving out hamas is the only way this is going to be solved, why weren’t things solved before the existence of hamas? Egypt and saudi arabia have negotiated and a lot of money has exchanged hands to keep them docile. Egypt is high on the list of recipients of US foreign aid, i.e. money to shut up and behave according to US interests. The US clearly favored israel in the camp david meetings and even spied on egypt for the benefit of israel during that time (https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveywinder/2020/02/12/cia-secretly-bought-global-encryption-provider-built-backdoors-spied-on-100-foreign-governments):

“In the meantime, more than 100 governments around the world, possibly as many as 120, purchased and employed the backdoored equipment. China and the Soviet Union, as it was then, weren’t amongst the buyers. However, Egypt was, and this apparently enabled the U.S. to monitor communications between Anwar Sadat and Cairo during the Egypt-Israel peace accord meeting at Camp David in 1978.”

Why are you focusing on other countries taking on refugees? These people shouldn’t be driven out of their homes to create refugees in the first place.

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It’s similar to Ukraine, they don’t want peace unless it means getting all their land back. You can literally apply the same logic and say Ukraine can stop the war if they just agree to peace today.

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