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11 points

China has ghost cities with empty apartment buildings. They have tons of resources to waste.

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Tell me you’re living half a decade in the past without telling me. “Ghost cities” are actually areas where the state preplanned urbanization so everything would be in place when people started moving in. In fact, most of these “ghost cities” are actually populated now.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under-occupied_developments_in_China

Edit: could someone please explain why I’m being downvoted? I’ve provided a source to back up my statements. Or is this a case of “everything about China is bad because Red Scare”?

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Here’s the summary for the wikipedia article you mentioned in your comment:

Under-occupied developments in China were mostly unoccupied property developments in China, and frequently referred to as "ghost cities" or ghost towns. The phenomenon was observed and recorded as early as 2006 by writer Wade Shepard, and subsequently reported by news media over the decades. Although a feature of discourse on the Chinese economy and urbanization in China in the 2010s, formerly under-occupied developments have largely filled up.

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65 million empty according to your link.

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Many developments initially criticized as ghost cities did materialize into economically vibrant areas when given enough time to develop, such as Pudong, Zhujiang New Town, Zhengdong New Area, Tianducheng and malls such as the Golden Resources Mall and South China Mall.[15] While many developments failed to live up to initial lofty promises, most of them eventually became occupied when given enough time.[6][16]

Reporting in 2018, Shepard noted that “Today, China’s so-called ghost cities that were so prevalently showcased in 2013 and 2014 are no longer global intrigues. They have filled up to the point of being functioning, normal cities”.[17]

Writing in 2023, academic and former UK diplomat Kerry Brown described the idea of Chinese ghost cities as a bandwagon popular in the 2010s which was shown to be a myth.[18]: 151-152

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There’s another side to this. “Pre-planning” without proper forecast led to the housing crisis we are seeing today in China, with one of the largest developers in China Evergrande defaulting and filing for bankruptcy. A lot of people who were promised a good property and sunk their life savings into the project, now have no choice but to live in unfinished buildings in ghost towns without electricity nor water.

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2023/10/31/crumbling-buildings-and-broken-dreams-chinas-unfinished-homes
https://www.reuters.com/markets/asia/china-home-buyers-occupy-their-rotting-unfinished-properties-2022-09-26/

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I haven’t got into the article that much but sure, nothing is perfect.

Is it better to not even try and pretend its acceptable for people to be homeless, like they do almost everywhere else?

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It’s the attitude we don’t appreciate.

Also, you’re on the back foot to start with on a .ml account.

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most of these “ghost cities” are actually populated now.

Because you believe China’s propaganda

I don’t blame you, Wikipedia sources are fairly old and everyone can add/remove stuff.

Recommend more sources after 2020

If you are bored https://youtube.com/watch?v=Qhwk3O6JHZk https://youtube.com/watch?v=dnp_MxXY9qs

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Wikipedia sources are fairly old

A few of the sources are literally from 2023. But do go on, it certainly seems like you’re here in good faith, right?

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Not weighing in on either side of the discussion, but that’s a video that’s almost completely unrelated to the topic above.

It speaks to how overleveraged/poorly managed a lot of Chinese development was, leading to a borderline colapse of the construction industry, and largely leaves the subject of ghost cities unaddressed.

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I stated a fact and you bent over backwards trying to prove anyone who agreed with me was wrong.

Ghost cities are real. It wasn’t a ‘everything about China is bad’ comment like you whined so that’s why you’re getting downvoted.

Why get all defensive anyway? Is someone paying you to defend China from any criticism? You come across like you’re simping for China.

Do you get upset when people talk about winnie the poo?

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Defensive like downvoting facts?

Yeah some urban preplanning didn’t work out but most of those cities are filled up to the point of working now.

I remember back then all those articles - “China is building empty cities! Ha ha so dumb! Who’s gonna buy that, they all work in factories!”

It’s pretty striking that an .ml user posted a comment defending a verifiable fact, and got 10 downvotes for being “uppity”. Oh, sorry for the Wikipedia link sir, I will think more about respect for all powerful America next time

You guys really need to clean out your brainworms sometime, this shit is embarrassing

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