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but it really feels like the CIA wants people to think they killed Epstein.

but a lot of the discourse around this treats the matter as “settled” when they uncover a conspiracy like this, when it should be just the beginning of looking deeper into it.

Situations like these are called limited hangouts.

When [the intelligence agency’s] veil of secrecy is shredded and they can no longer rely on a phony cover story to misinform the public, they resort to admitting—sometimes even volunteering—some of the truth while still managing to withhold the key and damaging facts in the case. The public, however, is usually so intrigued by the new information that it never thinks to pursue the matter further.

And it worked. “Epstein didn’t kill himself” is now just a personality trait and merchandise slogan on the right. For the few who do connect the dots, they get no assistance from those in the mainstream “investigative journalism” industry who have more resources.

As a result you mostly get circumstantial evidence and blamed as crazy. And unfortunately, a lot of the so called investigators ARE crazy because democrats have completely dismissed the possibility that the Epstein case goes deeper, leaving the republicans to monopolize the conversation. So now you have one side that’s just virtue signaling and muddying the waters with their “independent research” and one side that’s too scared to do anything lest they get associated with the crazies. No one achieves anything of substance, and Epstein and his friends win.

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No one achieves anything of substance, and Epstein and his friends win.

And that’s 1000% intentional

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Ah, thanks for that insight. As a non-American I wasn’t even aware this had become politicized along party lines like that.

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Democrats will tell you straight-faced that JFK was not killed by the CIA or any other US government entity. That it legitimately was a lone gunman acting solely on his own desires. Despite the literal mountains of evidence that the CIA and FBI had every reason to eliminate JFK. They just call that conspiracy theories.

Republicans will probably agree it was some US government entity, so this justifies cutting Medicare and whatever else. Not the CIA and FBI though. Also, when they say the government killed JFK they really just mean “the Jews” somehow. The “fun” part of dismantling right wing hoggery is finding the part where they’re just blaming Jews for everything.

What a great fucking country. This all intermingles to make dissent from a position of power impossible at the moment.

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I think it’s worth noting that the responses from chuds vary wildly. There definitely are some boogaloo type chuds that believe more or less the same thing we do about JFK’s assassination, some aren’t antisemitic about these things at all. But they still draw the wrong conclusion from it. The important lesson to be learned is that reactionaries often see the same contradictions we do they just resolve them in injust, misguided ways.

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