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the dems seem as helpless to run this geriatric conservative as the gop are to prevent an actual fascist dictator wannabe from successfully running for office.

how can both these massive parties suck so fucking hard

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bOtH SIdeS

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The Democrats are generally a fairly ineffective ally on good days. The Republicans are an effective enemy every day. It’s not an equivocation to say those are both crappy options.

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indeed. what we really need to do is political action outside of just voting, because voting for genocide joe or donald “hitler” trump isn’t gonna work very well

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uhhh no.

“both sides” is pretending both suffer from the same issue… i have clearly not made that case

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uhhh yes.

“both sides” is presenting them both as equally bad… you have clearly made that case

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Because the electorate is doing little to nothing at the local scale to change voting methodology. Until that happens in a broad fashion, the two parties will continue to be a problem.

Edit: you can downvote all you want, it doesn’t change reality.

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Because voting in the primaries seems anathema to the young progressives who want to change.

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I’m glad I’m a progressive that votes in the primary. I plan to vote in more progressives myself.

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Thank you! Please keep doing it, and if possible, asking your friends to!

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These are the same people telling us Demcoracy is on the line

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“Buh… buh… Biden won South Carolina!”

Yeah… and how did that work out?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election_in_South_Carolina

Trump - 1,385,103, 55.11%
Biden - 1,091,541, 43.43%

I couldn’t believe people using the South Carolina primary as the reason Biden should be the candidate. Since when do we let red states decide who the Democratic candidate should be?

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That’s a comforting story but completely unsupported by reality. Look at the exit polls from whatever state you like. The under 30 crowd gets outvoted by 2-1, sometimes a 3-1 margin!

(This gets even more embarrassing when you realize that while the two groups are about the same size of the electorate, the elderly are less likely to vote Democratic, so as a share of potential Democratic voters the 65+ is beating the brakes off the under 30s.)

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They voted in the early 2016 primaries too. And the same thing happened.

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7 points

And you are proposing what?

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A no holds barred Yu-Gi-Oh match. Winner becomes president, loser cleans the white house bathrooms for the next 4 years.

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Will there be some kid competing while possessed by an ancient pharoah?

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I believe you’re under the mistaken impression that u/originalucifer is actually running one or both of these parties.

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I never said this nor do I believe it. But engaging in doomscrolling and screaming into the void is not going to do much so I’m looking for ideas. Yes they are all way too old, there’s no denying that. The question is: now what?

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i dont… i kinda think were all fucked. the only action possible here is to just keep voting lesser evil.

i used to hope, but that runs out after the first few decades

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They way to fix things is voting reform. But it can’t be just any reform.

We have to ditch Ordinal voting systems. Every single one of them leads to some degree of two party dominance, with voters having to prioritize strategy over their own needs, because not doing so means they will be actively punished.

Cardinal systems are the only way to escape. Strategic voting becomes less necessary and less impactful.

My current favorite system is STAR. It takes all the great ideas of the best cardinal voting system (Score) and adds in an automatic runoff that greatly reduces the impact of clone candidate attacks.

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