afaik, they defederated from us. So we can still see posts and comments from there, but cant add any posts or comment.

unfortunately it’s not as easy as that. defederation isn’t meant to be fun. but a last resort. for example if people do illegal stuff on one instance, you want to defederate them WITHOUT having their link and instance name kept around everywhere. But you’re right. We still need a good technical solution for that.

The instances that are federated with one another I believe are publicly listed, somewhere. From there it would be fairly straightforward to create a tool that tells you whether your instance is “compatible” with the one you’re interacting with.

Anyone good at coding? Sounds like a project. Make one and add it to the list that I’m sure is also out there somewhere. If there are such useful things, they should be added to all the sidebars and made common knowledge.

Think of instances a bit like mail centers.

When you are federated with an instance, they will deliver their mail to you. You are also able write to any of their communities, who will deliver that mail to other instances that they’re in business with.

But when an instance defederates from yours, they’re no longer delivering mail to and from you. When you look at one of their communities, you effectively have a mailbox, still with the carrier’s logo, but nothing is coming or going anymore. What you’re left with is all of the old mail that was there before they canceled your route, along with new letters being written by people on your side that will never be delivered.

From the perspective of the other instance, however, they’ve torn out your mailbox entirely. It effectively doesn’t exist.

The more complicated part is what happens when users from these two instances visit a third who they are both federated with. That third instance will accept my mail, and share it to everyone else. But the instance that defederated from me will not accept any of my mail, even when it’s routed through the other instance.

But defederation is a one-sided block (unless both instances defederates from each other), so the third instance will still send me comments/posts from people on the instance that defederated from mine. But if I try to reply to them on that third instance, they’ll never see it because they aren’t taking any of my mail.

No, the host instance will not proliferate your input to other instances. Only your instance will have that and will only share it with other users from your instance.

e.g. I’m on Lemmy.world. I post on the Beehaw gaming community. Only other users from Lemmy.world will see my posts.

Everything you post in a beehaw community won’t be seen by anyone else. Everything you post in a community of any other instance will be seen by everyone who isn’t on an instance that defederated yours

Wait did I get it exactly backwards? I need more sleep and less heat.

So non-local communities from (one-way) de-federated instances are basically mod-less spaces where users from federated instances can interact with eachother?

E.g. LW users and infosec users can create posts and comments on lemmy.world/c/gaming@beehaw.org, but the mods from beehaw.org/c/gaming have no power and don’t even see it, since they are disconnected.

It’s just a shame that they are overly selective about who they allow to join. When I was looking for a new home after Rexxit, the first place I applied to was Beehaw after seeing it spoken so highly of. My values seem to align with theirs and I thought I wrote a pretty good application stating as much, but they never let me in.