I get that people are super emotional about the upcoming election, i am too. But this kind of emotion, and the feelings i see posted on this thread have no use to anyone.
Why do we hate the people who are easily fooled rather than the people who are doing the fooling?
Will openly hating them and showing superperiority to them make them change or just make us feel better?
How long and how loudly will “left wing” voices need to be (voices like this tweet i mean), how open will their distaste for right wing (citizens) have to be, before we on the left start wondering whether the party we believe in has the "moral superiority"it claims to?
I am starting to feel like you could just switch a few words around and then the shit we believe about them and the shit they believe about is identical, in a fun house mirror kinda way
I think the post is literally implying that in previous elections, you absolutely could make the argument that people were being fooled, but that’s no longer true. People voting for this guy are doing so not because they’ve been tricked, but because they want to and are doing so with open eyes.
Yeah. At this point (honestly by 2020 no matter what) there’s no question. The only two possibilities are a multi-million-Democrat conspiracy against him, or the dude’s guilty of 21 major crimes related to election theft.
But Trump voters actually support the idea that it’s ok for the Republican to steal an election. Simple as that.
Interesting point. Here in the UK we tried providing fact checked information to everyone during Brexit. Look how that turned out.
I’ve come to the conclusion that i need to give up and let the right wingers be right wingers. That leaves one the option to feel superior, especially when those voting further right are clearly ignoring the facts, and can’t claim they don’t know about them.
The folks who have and will be profiting from brexit spent quite a bit of money convincing folks to vote against their best interests and leave. How can providing “boring” facts an interested party must search for be nearly as effective as an advert if they never become interested? Of course it cannot be as effective.
For our part it’s fine to feel superior cuz it’s a natural and necessary human emotion, but putting that frustration online like this is leaning into it. It feels nasty to me, and it makes me think of the low, the lowest quality comments i have seen in right wing spaces.
This meandering reply’s only point is to say if we really want to dehumanize the opposition we had better take a fucking hard look at what that means and why
facts an interesting party must search for
They were literally posted through people’s doors.
I don’t think it’s about feeling some kind of superiority. I think it’s important to keep telling each other this so we remember - this is who they are. They are not rational thinking individuals.
The reason being that we cannot waste any time or energy thinking they can be redeemed. All our energy needs to be spent on making sure we vote and everyone we know votes. Because they will be voting and voting Trump, and won’t be changing their minds. And that vote is a threat to our freedoms and our democracy.
this is who they are. They are not rational, thinking individuals
Ok, im not trying to start a fight, but look at that statement. how is this not a feeling of superiority?
Is that how you see the world, better and worse? To me it’s simply a statement of fact. They are clearly not rational actors. They are voting emotionally - fear, anger, hate.
Before you say it, yes, we all vote with some emotion, but these people are voting against their own best interests in almost every aspect of politics just for some brief dopamine hit to own the libs.
Why do we hate the people who are easily fooled rather than the people who are doing the fooling?
The problem is willful ignorance. A lot of Trump supporters knew better from day 1 and chose to be easily fooled. I had a friend when I was a kid who used to cheer on the defendants in court cases when he thought they were guilty of heinous crimes because they got to “fuck with the system” if they got off. People like that grew up to vote for Trump because he would “fuck with the system”.
I think it’s ok to hate someone who voted for Trump BECAUSE they wanted to elect an enemy of the majority. It might not be productive to hate them, but it’s okay to.
How long and how loudly… how open will their distaste for right wing
We’re dumb evil immoral pedophiles who are going to hell, and every time we try to cooperate with them in any way they backstab us and then blame us. What exactly are we losing standing up to them when they’re going to punch us whether or not we do?
I am starting to feel like you could just switch a few words around and then the shit we believe about them and the shit they believe about is identical
The concept is assymetry. The most obvious (Godwinian) example is to take virtually any anti-Nazi quote and intersperse the word “Jew”. All of a sudden it becomes horrible and bigoted. You can absolutely then take any anti-Jew bigotry and say the word “Nazi”, and it suddenly becomes just and true.
Why? Because Trump Supporters and Democrats ARE fundamentally different. The best answer to the paradox of tolerance says that tolerance is a social contract - we are to be tolerant to those others who accept to follow that contract, but it can be open season (in terms of intolerance, not violence) for those who do not.
Why? Because Trump Supporters and Democrats ARE fundamentally different.
I don’t think that’s true, at all. I’ve been lucky enough to have some conversations with Trump voters and they have indeed said some dumb ass shit. But nothing unexpected, they’re all from fox n shit
After we get past the fox talking points and bullshit we are the same.
I’ve been lucky enough to have some conversations with Trump voters and they have indeed said some dumb ass shit. But nothing unexpected, they’re all from fox n shit
Sure, in a few cases. In others, it was more on the tune of:
“I voted for Trump because he’s going to raise taxes on the poor so they pay their fair share”
or
“I voted for Trump because he promised to get rid of illegal immigrants. Just because there aren’t many in my state doesn’t mean they’re not CRIMINALS who should be removed at all costs!”
or
“I voted for Trump because he’s going to do some crazy stuff like leave the Paris Climate Agreement. This is going to be fucking entertaining and I’ll have my popcorn. People are gonna get PISSSSSED”
or
“I really don’t like Trump, but no politician is perfect and I’m willing to deal with Trump because he’s going to help us finally ban abortion”.
Need I keep going? I blame them all.