Following his trial for defamation of the families of the children and school staff killed in the Sandy Hook massacre, conspiracy theorist Alex Jones is using Valve Corp.’s Steam, the world’s largest digital distribution platform for PC games, to sell an Infowars-themed video game. Jones claims to have earned hundreds of thousands in revenue from the video game, yet he has refused to pay the Sandy Hook families. Alex Jones: NWO Wars also mirrors and cartoonishly repackages the conspiracy theorist’s regularly violent, hateful rhetoric despite the platform’s policies against hate speech.
the body of the thread a posted on c/knowledgefight,
I’ll take a listen to the podcast, but I think you are right in that it’s only tangentially relevant. Although it’s existence shows the topic won’t die easily.
No victims coming forward.
Such a bad argument. Are you expecting an abused kid to file a police report? Look at Epstein’s Virginia Giuffre who is now 40! At least the guardian’s of the kids in the Instagram photos should have been questioned.
No suspicious activity.
There was enough to send 4chan and reddit into a frenzy. I think you mean that there was no definitive proof.
The only thing interesting about pizzagate is how strongly people can hold on to beliefs with zero backing.
I thought the most interesting thing was how hard the pushback was. Pizza owners on the news, 10 min features on Colbert, NYT and Rolling Stone articles, banning of subreddits and censoring of search results. Try to find the steemit article I linked above. There was a well organised PR campaign against “nothing”.
I suspect some of the conclusions being drawn from highly circumstantial evidence were too close to the truth for some influential people’s comfort.
I’m sure 99% of posts about pizzagate are LARPing really.
Initially all politicians were suspected (e.g. Hastert is republican). It turned into a right wing topic after qanon stoked the fires.
In fact, I’d go as far as to say, the fact there is no evidence backing it up is precisely why this stuff is so dangerous.
True. On the other hand, vigilantism occurs when the police say they’ve investigated but actually haven’t. (Sorry impossible to back this statement in 2024. If you doubt me, find some official DC police reports unrelated to the gunman attack)
However, out in the dangerous part of the world, no one cares about this. It’s so fucking easy to dismiss this stuff. Why would anyone believe it?
It happened in Belgium, UK, France, Portugal etc. People there cared. Why not also in the US?
This feels like persecution, gaslighting, and like “they” are all in on it.
Podesta and Alefantis have certainly been persecuted by the Internet. And probably still are being 8 years later. Their no comment policy certainly backfired.
While I don’t find it particularly endearing that you are trying to dunk on a guy that is admittedly not engaged in the topic, I’ll bite
the body of the thread a posted on c/knowledgefight,
I’ll take a listen to the podcast, but I think you are right in that it’s only tangentially relevant. Although it’s existence shows the topic won’t die easily.
Personally, I think we should move the conversation there since posting here feels like you’re trying to get more eyeballs on this stuff. I find this stuff dangerous, and it’s usually best discussed in a more focused group.
I don’t recall calling the episode tangentially relevant. It contains the best evidence I’ve heard for Pizzagate.
I’ll be honest, I have no idea what that last sentence (“Although…”) is supposed to mean. These things won’t die easily because there is nothing that will ever stop people like Alex Jones screaming that Democrats drink baby blood. People believe him, and are loud about it. The fact that an idea shows no signs of dying out is not going to get me to believe it. (I’m a Taurus, after all.)
No victims coming forward.
Such a bad argument. Are you expecting an abused kid to file a police report? Look at Epstein’s Virginia Giuffre who is now 40! At least the guardian’s of the kids in the Instagram photos should have been questioned.
Bad argument? At least engage with it. You ask me to look to Epstein’s Virginia Giuffre. Who as you know, was a victim who came forward. This is the kind of evidence I’m asking for.
Please, and I mean it, please I want to see it, show me any pundit that “bunks” pizzagate talking-points that also said anything about Epstein before Giuffre’s public assertions.
There are no victims in pizzagate. What are you doing bringing Epstein into this? He was brought down by victims coming forward. The lack of evidence is no reason to point fingers.
No suspicious activity.
There was enough to send 4chan and reddit into a frenzy. I think you mean that there was no definitive proof.
Oh lordy. Was I dismissive of things that sent 4chan and reddit into a frenzy? I’m sorry. That must sting a bit. That is your best evidence so far.
The only thing interesting about pizzagate is how strongly people can hold on to beliefs with zero backing.
I thought the most interesting thing was how hard the pushback was. Pizza owners on the news, 10 min features on Colbert, NYT and Rolling Stone articles, banning of subreddits and censoring of search results. Try to find the steemit article I linked above. There was a well organised PR campaign against “nothing”.
We’re both just stating our opinions here. But I thought the pushback was perfectly inline. How else do you reach the kind of people who believe things based whatever they hear from pundits claiming to have secret knowledge?
I suspect some of the conclusions being drawn from highly circumstantial evidence were too close to the truth for some influential people’s comfort.
That’s very vague and spooky. Does it have a meaning?
I’m sure 99% of posts about pizzagate are LARPing really.
Initially all politicians were suspected (e.g. Hastert is republican). It turned into a right wing topic after qanon stoked the fires.
Wow. Bold of you to bring up another known pedophile. His downfall was the FBI seeing suspicious cash withdrawls. So who was that money going to? That’s right, a verified victim of molestation by Denny Hastert. You known, one of the (sorry to call them) characters I’d like to see in this pizzagate accusation. You only get to call Hastert a pedophile because a victim came forward.
And qanon stoking fires is another conspiracy point I will simply not engage with. Qanon is too unfounded for me.
In fact, I’d go as far as to say, the fact there is no evidence backing it up is precisely why this stuff is so dangerous.
True. On the other hand, vigilantism occurs when the police say they’ve investigated but actually haven’t. (Sorry impossible to back this statement in 2024. If you doubt me, find some official DC police reports unrelated to the gunman attack)
I live in America. That investigation went as far as it could before violating the rights of a private business owner. Your parry here truly shows how dangerous this is.
However, out in the dangerous part of the world, no one cares about this. It’s so fucking easy to dismiss this stuff. Why would anyone believe it?
It happened in Belgium, UK, France, Portugal etc. People there cared. Why not also in the US?
I’m sorry. I was being metaphorical here. When I said “out in the dangerous part of the world”, I was speaking for the POV of the fictional infowarrior. By the dangerous part of the world, I simply meant reality. Where people do not engage with these fear-mongers who actually proclaim that Democrats drink the blood of babies. Reality is where these baseless ideas and beliefs make one feel isolated. This is last I will engage here as I feel I’m being quoted out of context.
This feels like persecution, gaslighting, and like “they” are all in on it.
Podesta and Alefantis have certainly been persecuted by the Internet. And probably still are being 8 years later. Their no comment policy certainly backfired.
I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. It sounds like you are bragging about making peoples lives miserable based on nothing.
Personally, I think we should move the conversation there since posting here feels like you’re trying to get more eyeballs on this stuff.
I’m indifferent. Not trying to grab eyeballs, just trying to find different angles on the topic. Anyone who claims it was debunked is interesting because they may have more knowledge than I (i.e. you and you podcasts). Post a thread and I’ll follow.
I find this stuff dangerous, and it’s usually best discussed in a more focused group.
We are discussing 8 year old emails and Instagram posts. Not planning an insurrection.
It contains the best evidence I’ve heard for Pizzagate.
The link I clicked quickly through was making fun of some Alex Jones contributors ordering pizza.
The fact that an idea shows no signs of dying out is not going to get me to believe it.
Agreed. My point was that continued claims of debunking don’t reduce interest in the subject.
Virginia Giuffre was a victim who came forward.
Only as a middle aged woman. Kids in the Instagram photos would now barely be over 10. You can’t use their silence as evidence.
What are you doing bringing Epstein into this?
I’m showing that sex trafficked people don’t often come forward. In Epstein’s case it took 20+ years.
any pundit that “bunks” pizzagate talking-points that also said anything about Epstein
Sorry. Not a claim or a point I’m defending.
There are no victims in pizzagate.
We have photos of some from Instagram.
That is your best evidence so far.
No, the. Best evidence is the steemit summary above. That made a LOT of people suspicious.
How else do you reach the kind of people who believe things based whatever they hear from pundits claiming to have secret knowledge?
The conspiracy crowd were not the target audience. You certainly don’t go through Colbert. It was pure Streisand effect.
That’s very vague and spooky. Does it have a meaning?
It was my attempt at explaining the massive national media campaign supporting a pizza shop owner against apparently ridiculous allegations. Protesting too much.
Wow. Bold of you to bring up another known pedophile.
Because he was republican and mentioned in friendly terms by Podesta. I’m dismissing the “right wing” tag that gets attached to pizzagate. Often via Qanon.
And qanon stoking fires is another conspiracy point I will simply not engage with. Qanon is too unfounded for me.
I think that is fair. Qanon came later. It should be separate but people often confuse the two.
That investigation went as far as it could before violating the rights of a private business owner
No. There was no investigation (sorry, no supporting evidence). “Private business owner” has nothing to do with suggestive Instagram posts involving children.
Where people do not engage with these fear-mongers who actually proclaim that Democrats drink the blood of babies.
Ah. So you aren’t saying this couldn’t happen. Just that you’d ignore anyone who pointed out if it was happening.
Why introduce "drink the blood of babies. "? Irrelevant hyperbole adds nothing.
I feel I’m being quoted out of context.
Sorry, not my goal. Just trying to make reading easier. Misquoting is pointless here.
It sounds like you are bragging about making peoples lives miserable based on nothing.
I’ve had no interaction with either.
You mentioned persecution and they have both been on the receiving end. However, if they had been investigated by law enforcement, or publicly addressed their accusations then there would be no persecution (or at least much less).
I assume you are in the debunked camp. Can I ask what makes you so sure there was nothing suspicious happening?
You said you’d listen to the podcast. I’m going to hold you to it. It’s a comedy show. And pizzagate is ridiculous. But you offered to argue their points. “they’re mean to my friends” isn’t going to cut it.
The best evidence for your claim is that link? Please read the FIRST paragraph and let’s discuss the reading level of The Emperor’s New Clothes.
I’ve read it pretty deeply now. You better start connecting some dots. There is too much secret sourcing.
I’m not even sure what “claims of debunking” you even mean. What even are the claims of pizzagate? That the emails are boring, but if you squint, you can pretend it’s a conspiracy. It’s the least interesting thing I’ve heard. What’s to engage with? There are no bodies. No victims. The crimes alleged must have victims. What court is going to convict anybody on these charges with no victims? Have the jury squint at instagram pics? Please give your argument some grounding.
I am not afraid of a lack of victims. The existence of victims would blow this wide open.
Please tell me of a historical case (aka in reality) where a pedo ring was busted with no known victims.
