“Kenny just began to gasp for air repeatedly and the execution took about 25 minutes total.”

Pretty compassionate way to kill a person.

Once again, the Law in the south is brutal.

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“Waterboarding doesn’t cause suffering because it isn’t literally drowning.”

That’s what you sound like.

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you are conflating waterboarding with non consensual, but expected waterboarding.

He isn’t going to get out of it, but it’s also not like he has no idea whats going to happen.

How to deal with waterboarding? Don’t breath.

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How to deal with waterboarding? Don’t breath.

The people waterboarding you will just keep pouring water until you start breathing.

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you are conflating waterboarding with non consensual, but expected waterboarding.

What?

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if you’re a prisoner on death row, it’s not exactly like you have zero advanced notice of whats going to happen.

Given that bureaucracy exists, i think it might be prudent to say that you might even have ALL of the advanced notice one could possibly want in that scenario.

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The body is weird when it comes to breathing. It doesn’t measure one of the critical gasses. 3 things particularly send the body into a breathing panic.

  • Rising CO2 (via blood acidity)

  • Water in the airways.

  • Resistance to inflating the lungs.

Water boarding is particularly evil, since it creates just enough of the last 2 to trigger a full blown drowning reaction, but is light enough to not actually be dangerous. This lets the questioner hold the victim in that zone, without permanent physical harm (but massive psychological harm).

Nitrogen hypoxia doesn’t set off any of those triggers. This makes it particularly dangerous to some workers. They don’t realise anything is wrong until they pass out.

Also, to clarify. I am massively against the death penalty. It’s both cruel, and not particularly effective as a deterrent. It’s also no cheaper, in practice, than life imprisonment. However, if it is going to be used, it should be as humane as possible. Nitrogen hypoxia is about as humane as it can get.

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They cannot do it humanely with a method that requires the person to breath normally to work. If they can hold their breath it will always be inhumane because they will still be struggling and have the same impending doom and physical reaction as waterboarding.

It does not matter if the chemical properties are different when the person has a working brain and doesn’t want to die. Or if it is being implemented by incompetent people who couldn’t even kill him with lethal injection in 2022.

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this is like arguing that suicide is inhumane and should be illegal

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Your first sentence is simply false.

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So what method would you suggest, assuming you must choose a method?

I’m completely against the death penalty. It’s no longer an option over here in the UK. However, if it must be done, do it as humanely as possible.

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