- California authorities found a man illegally owning 248 guns and 1 million rounds of ammo.
- The state attorney general said he also had 3,000 magazines and several grenades in his home.
- The guns included 11 machine guns, 133 handguns, and 60 assault rifles, authorities said.
Lemmy Users: Gun control works great! Machine guns are illegal so nobody will have any, we are all safe!
California man: Hold my beer…
Gun control does work great, when implemented on a national level.
Literally no science to support the notion it doesn’t.
Only brainwashed Americans think it doesn’t work.
Unless you consider the illegal acquisition of 248 guns to be evidence that it doesn’t work.
Is it more difficult to bring something into the country across the border, or to transport an item between two states?
If it isn’t obvious to you that only banning something on the state level is SIGNIFICANTLY less effective than nationally, I can only assume you’ve never actually left the country.
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The US has the right to bear arms enshrined in our constitution. I don’t need any justification beyond it is my right. Feel free to give away you personal rights in your own country, I could care less.
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Gun control doesn’t work because criminals don’t pay attention to laws. The only people who will follow the law are the non-criminals.
Gun control doesn’t work because criminals don’t pay attention to laws
Of course they do. They make the same calculation you do when you decide to drive over the speed limit: how likely am I to get caught, how serious will it be if I get caught, do I really need to take this risk, etc. That’s why some criminals only break the speed limit, other criminals only steal things from empty stores, other criminals inflate the value of their real estate holdings to get cheap loans, commit campaign fraud to hide an affair with a porn star, and then attempt to launch a coup to stay in power.
Let’s look at how similar criminals might make a decision about using a gun as part of their crime in London vs. St. Louis.
| London | St. Louis | |
|---|---|---|
| How likely am I to be caught | Pretty likely, guns are rare. It would be a big risk to trust someone to get me a gun. | Guns are common, so pretty unlikely |
| How serious will it be if I get caught | Very serious, gun crimes are heavily punished | The gun won’t make things worse |
| Do I really need to take this risk | No, the regular cops don’t have guns, the civilians don’t have guns, I don’t need a gun | Of course I need a gun. Cops are heavily armed and twitchy, the public is heavily armed and twitchy. I can’t succeed at this crime unless I’m heavily armed |
| Is the risk worth it | Doing the crime is worth it, doing the crime with a gun is too big of an additional risk. | If I’m going to do the crime, I have no choice but to use the biggest gun I can find |
You mean you “couldn’t care less”, not you “could care less”.
Dear America — David Mitchell’s soapbox
You’re repeating bad NRA propaganda. There is zero evidence that gun control doesn’t work, and a literal fuckton of evidence that it does.
So be brainwashed if you will, but there is literally no science at all to support your side, so you’re essentially worse than a Flat Earther in this argument. Since they at least offer attempts at explaining their insanity. You don’t, you just say something without having any actual evidence for it.
https://epirev.oxfordjournals.org/content/38/1/140.full.pdf+html
This criminal, the one in the article, didn’t pay attention to the laws. He was arrested before he shot anyone with his arsenal.
Saw a police shooting video recently where the suspect barricaded in a car with a hostage. Suspect returned fire (full auto).
After the police shot him and freed the hostage, they went to clear the gun. It was a full auto HK UMP, which civilians in the US cannot legally buy or possess in any practical scenario (yes I am aware a SOT could have one for LE demonstration but that’s relatively rare and not what this was).
In other words full auto MGs are being used by criminals who have cartel connections. The cartels get them from Mexican or South/Central American police and military who either are corrupted and resell the weapons, or are overt criminals themselves.
US has created a clown world where middle class software engineers are being hassled by the feds over having a braced AR pistol. ATF has jailed people over a drawing on a flat piece of metal. Meanwhile criminal element are running around with full auto UMPs and illegally modified Glocks. It is the exact opposite of what should be happening.
It was a full auto HK UMP, which civilians in the US cannot legally buy or possess in any practical scenario (yes I am aware a SOT could have one for LE demonstration but that’s relatively rare and not what this was).
In other words
In other words… you had to make it clear that the weapon wasn’t legal, and even then you had to admit that there were some scenarios where it might be legal.
Here’s how that sentence would go in a sane countr:
“It was a gun, and not a hunting gun, so obviously illegal.”
When civilians can legally own a whole variety of guns, including guns that look nearly identical to the ones that are illegal, it’s a lot easier for people to get their hands on the illegal guns. England doesn’t have this problem. Japan doesn’t have this problem. Even Canada doesn’t have this problem. It’s not that there aren’t criminals in those places, it’s that gun control laws work.
You’re not making the point you think you are. That fringe scenario I described has no statistical significance in terms of crime. It is a special subset of dealers that demonstrate weapons to police customers. I guarantee you England, Canada and Japan also have some process for this, and it doesn’t impact their crime rates in any meaningful way either.
